PHX Transportation, Infrastructure and Innovation Subcommittee Meeting – October 2, 2019

PHX Transportation, Infrastructure and Innovation Subcommittee Meeting – October 2, 2019


>>Councilwoman Williams: I’M
GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THE
TRANSPORTATION, INFRASTRUCTURE
AND INNOVATION SUBCOMMITTEE.
DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FROM THE
PUBLIC?
>>WE DO NOT.
>>Councilwoman Williams: WE
DO NOT?
WE HAVE MINUTES OF THE MEETING
NEXT FOR THE MEETING ON
SEPTEMBER 4th.
ANY CORRECTIONS?
A MOTION?
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I MOVE
TO APPROVE.
>>SECOND.
>>Councilwoman Williams: ALL
IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
[ CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED?
CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
TAKES US TO ITEMS 2-6, WHICH ARE
CONSENT ITEMS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
WANT DISCUSSION, OR MORE
INFORMATION?
DO I HAVE HEAR A MOTION?
>>Councilwoman Stark: I MOVE
TO APPROVE THE CONSENT.
>>Councilwoman Guardado:
SECOND.
>>Councilwoman Williams: ALL
IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
[ CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
I BELIEVE ITEM 7 IS FOR
INFORMATION ONLY.
ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, WE HAVE MINUTES —
A MEMO FROM LAST NIGHT’S CITIZEN
TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
I DON’T KNOW IF YOU HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT THAT’S FOR INFORMATION ONLY.
THE FREEWAY PROGRAM, DO YOU WANT
ANY PRESENTATION?
HEARING NONE, WE’LL GO TO ITEM
10.
ITEM 10 IS THE SOUTH CENTRAL
EXTENSION DOWNTOWN HUB PROJECT
FUNDING AGREEMENT AMENDMENT.
>>MADAM CHAIR, MARCUS COLEMAN,
LIGHT RAIL ADMINISTRATOR, IS
HERE TO PRESENT ON ITEMS 10 AND
11.
>>GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR,
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AS MARIO STATED, AND AS THE
AGENDA SHOWS, WE’RE HERE TO TALK
ABOUT THE FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR
THE NORTHWEST EXTENSION PHASE II
AND ALSO THE SOUTH CENTRAL
DOWNTOWN HUB PROJECT.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS
TO ALLOW FOR US TO AMEND THE
EXISTING FUNDING CONTRACT THAT
WE HAVE WITH VALLEY METRO TO
PROCEED WITH THE PROGRESS OF
BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS, THE
NORTHWEST HE CAN TENSION
PHASE II AND SOUTH CENTRAL.
VALLEY METRO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
MANAGING THE CONSTRUCTION OF
THESE PROJECTS ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY OF PHOENIX, ALSO OPERATION
AND MAINTENANCE OF THESE
PROJECTS, AND SO THE FUNDING
AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW THEM TO
CONTINUE TO PROCEED IN THESE
PROJECTS AND MOVE FORWARD.
AS THE PROJECTS REACH MILESTONES
IN THE AGREEMENTS, THE
AMENDMENTS WILL — ADDITIONAL
AMENDMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR
THE PROJECT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE
WE CONTINUE THE PROCESS ALL THE
WAY THROUGH TO COMPLETION.
SO YOU WILL SEE ADDITIONAL
FUNDING AGREEMENTS COME BACK TO
THE CTC AS WELL AS THE
SUBCOMMITTEE AND FORMAL COUNCIL.
SO START WITH THE SOUTH CENTRAL
DOWNTOWN PROJECT.
THE SOUTH CENTRAL PROJECT IS A
5 1/2 MILE PROJECT THAT STARTS
APPROXIMATELY JEFFERSON AND RUNS
ALONG THE ALIGNMENT ALL THE WAY
SOUTH TO ITS TERMINUS AT
BASELINE ROAD.
THIS IS A 5 1/2 MILE PROJECT,
WHICH HAS TWO PARK AND RIDES,
ONE PARK AND RIDE AT OUR
EXISTING STATION AND THE OTHER
IS A NEW LOCATION THAT WE WERE
ABLE TO WORK OUT WITH VALLEY
METRO WHICH I’LL HIGHLIGHT IN
THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS PARK AND RIDE IS LOCATED AT
THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CENTRAL
AND BASELINE.
THIS PARK AND RIDE LOCATION
ALLOWS FOR US TO HAVE EASY
ACCESS TO THE END OF LINE
STATION WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE
CENTER OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
IT ALSO PROVIDES ACCESS ALONG
BASELINE ROAD.
SO TRAVELERS RUNNING EAST AND
WEST ALONG BASELINE ROAD, NORTH
AND SOUTH ALONG CENTRAL HAVE
EASY ACCESS TO INGRESS AND
EGRESS FROM THAT PARK AND RIDE,
AS WELL AS AS YOU SEE ON THE
GRAPHIC AAHEAD, THERE’S A FUTURE
EXPANSION AREA.
SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
EXPAND PARKING IF NEEDED OR TO
INCORPORATE OTHER TYPES OF HIGH
CAPACITY TRANSIT INTO THIS
DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT DISTURBING
ANY OF THE PROPERTIES THERE.
THAT’S ONE OF THE KEY THINGS
THAT GUIDED THE DESIGN OF THIS
PARK AND RIDE, IS THAT DURING
THE PARK AND RIDE WITH THE
DESIGN YOU CURRENTLY SEE BEFORE
YOU IT ALLOW US NOT TO DISTURB
ANY OF THE EXISTING BUSINESSES
IN THE CORRIDOR.
SO NO BUSINESS IS REQUIRED TO BE
RELOCATED OR IMPACTED FROM A —
AN ACCESS STANDPOINT.
SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH
AUTOZONE AND O’REILLY’S, WHICH
ARE THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE
WEST OF THE PROPERTY, TO GET
ACCESS FOR THE ROAD, ACCESS TO
BASELINE, BUT BESIDES THAT THERE
WILL BE NO IMPACT TO ANY
EXISTING BUSINESS THAT IS IN
THAT GENERAL AREA.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE
A QUESTION.
THIS FUTURE EXPANSION, IS THIS
THE — MOVING THE TRANSIT
CENTER?
THERE IS DISCUSSION — I HAVEN’T
BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR OVER
A YEAR, SO — THERE WAS SOME
DISCUSSIONS MOVING THE TRANSIT
CENTER OF WHERE IT’S CURRENTLY
AT TO HERE.
>>THIS FUTURE EXPANSION WOULD
BE FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING
SPACES.
THE TRANSIT CENTER WOULD REMAIN
WHERE IT IS.
THERE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN SOME
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POTENTIALLY
MOVING THE TRANSIT CENTER —
EVERYTHING, BUT AT THIS POINT
THAT’S NO LONGER IN THE PLAN.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS ONLY BECAUSE
I DIDN’T SEE ALL THE WAY TO
BASELINE.
OKAY.
>>YEAH.
>>ONE OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF
THE SOUTH CENTRAL DOWNTOWN HUB
PROJECT IS THE DOWNTOWN HUB
ITSELF.
CREATING THIS DOWNTOWN HUB
ALLOWS US TO GO FROM A ONE-LINE
SYSTEM YOU SEE TODAY TO AN
ACTUAL TWO-LINE SYSTEM WHICH
MAKES FOR EASY TRANSFER FROM
EAST-WEST TO NORTH-SOUTH
TRAVELING INDIVIDUALS AND IT
CREATES A NATURAL HUB AROUND OUR
WASHINGTON TO JEFFERSON, CENTRAL
TO FIRST AVENUE AREA.
ALSO AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE
GRAPHIC AHEAD OF YOU IT HAS A
LOOP TO 3rd AVENUE.
THIS LOOP WILL ALLOW US TO DO
THE WORK IN THE DOWNTOWN HUB ONE
TIME, AND AS FUTURE PROJECTS,
SUCH AS CAPITOL I-10 COMES
ABOARD, WE WILL NOT HAVE TO
DISTURB THE DOWNTOWN HUB DURING
THAT CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO NOW WE ARE GOING FROM
DESIGN INTO THE CONSTRUCTION
PERIOD.
AS EARLY AS OCTOBER 14th OF
THIS MONTH WE WILL START TO SEE
SOME CONSTRUCTION IN THE
DOWNTOWN HUB AREA AS WELL AS
UNDERGROUND EXPLORATORY WORK
FROM ROSIER TO SOUTHERN.
ROLLING TO OUR NORTHWEST
EXTENSION PHASE II, NORTHWEST
EXTENSION PHASE II IS A
MILE-AND-A-HALF PROJECTS THAT
STARTS AT APPROXIMATELY 19th
AVENUE AND DUNLAP.
HEADS WEST ON DUNLAP TO 25th
AVENUE, NORTH TO MOUNTAINVIEW
AND DIRECTLY WEST OVER THE I-17
INTO METROCENTER MALL.
ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE’VE
BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH WORKING
WITH OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS
AND OUR TEAMS AT VALLEY METRO IS
SOME VALUED HE CAN NEARING.
LAST TIME THIS PROJECT WAS SHOWN
TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND TO
COUNCIL, THE END OF LINE STATION
WAS RUNNING PARALLEL TO THE
I-17.
WELL, THROUGH SOME VALUE
ENGINEERING AND TRYING TO
MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT OF THE
PROPERTY WE HAVE TO IMPACT,
THERE HAS BEEN A REDESIGN THAT
ACTUALLY MAKES THE PROJECT
FASTER TO CONSTRUCT AND ALSO
MORE AFFORDABLE.
AND SO ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS
IS THAT THE TRACKS WILL NO
LONGER TURN AND RUN PARALLEL
WITH I-17.
THEY WILL RUN DIRECTLY INTO THE
MALL, AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE,
THE TRACKS ARE ABLE TO BE TWO
BRIDGES ACTUALLY SPANNING I-17.
BEFORE, PREVIOUSLY, THIS WAS ONE
BRIDGE, ONE SOLID BRIDGE THAT
SPANNED THE I-17 AND CURVED.
BECAUSE OF THAT ONE SOLID BRIDGE
IT WAS QUITE A BIT OF
ENGINEERING AND WORK THAT NEEDED
TO GO INTO THAT, AS WELL AS
MATERIAL COSTS, BEING ABLE TO
HAVE A MINIMALIST BRIDGE THAT
ALLOWED FOR TWO TRACKS TO GO
ACROSS IS ACTUALLY EASIER TO
CONSTRUCT AND A LOT LESS
MATERIAL COST TO THIS.
>>Councilwoman Williams: WILL
THERE BE ANY ARTWORK ON THE
BRIDGES?
>>THERE WILL BE ARTWORK
INCORPORATED INTO THE BRIDGES AS
WELL AS THERE WILL BE ARTWORK
INCORPORATED INTO THE STATION
ITSELF.
THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS WORK IS
TO RELOCATE THE EXISTING TRANSIT
CENTER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE
METROCENTER MALL AND RELOCATE
THAT TO THIS SAME LOCATION SO WE
HAVE A TRANSIT HUB HERE.
THIS WILL ACT AS TRANSIT STATION
FOR US AND TRANSIT CENTER FOR US
THAT WILL ALLOW FOR BUS AND RAIL
SO PEOPLE CAN TRANSFER BETWEEN
THOSE TWO MODES VERY EASILY.
ALSO, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE
HAVE VERY MINIMAL IMPACTS TO
CHANGE IN DESIGN, WE WANTED TO
MAXIMIZE THE PROPERTY WE HAVE TO
IMPACT.
AND SO INSTEAD OF DOING A
SURFACE PARKING LOT, WHICH WAS
ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, VERY LARGE
SURFACE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH
OF WHERE THIS DESIGN IS, WE’RE
ACTUALLY ABLE TO SAVE MONEY AND
BUILD A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT
WILL KIND OF DO TWO THINGS,
PROVIDE THE PARKING THAT’S
NEEDED AND ALSO PROVIDED A
COVERED PARKING LOCATION FOR
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARK THERE
AND TAKE OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM.
AND SO WE HAVE —
>>Councilwoman Williams:
PARKING STRUCTURE.
>>YES.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE BUS
TRANSIT CENTER AND YOU DON’T PAY
TO PARK, DO YOU?
>>IF YOU ARE TAKING TRANSIT,
YOU DO NOT PAY TO PARK.
>>AND THAT GARAGE YOU WILL NOT
TO PAY TO PARK?
>>YOU WILL NOT PAY TO PARK IN
THAT GARAGE.
YOU ARE RIGHT, MADAM CHAIR.
THE OTHER UNIQUE PIECE OF THIS
ELEVATED PLATFORMS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE’VE HAD
AN ELEVATED STATION WITHIN OUR
ENTIRE ALIGNMENT.
SO WE HAVE A OTHER LAUGH FIRSTS.
THE FIRST TIME WE’RE DOING
ELEVATED BRIDGE OVER I-17, FIRST
TIME WE’RE DOING AN ELEVATED
STATION, BUT THIS IS GOING TO
MAKE THE STATION FUNCTION VERY
WELL.
THE LOCATION OF THE STATION, AS
YOU CAN SEE, IT’S NOT AT THE END
OF THE TRACKS.
THE REASON IT’S IN THE LOCATION
IT IS IS BECAUSE THIS WILL ALLOW
FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.
SO IF THERE IS EXPANSION TO THE
NORTH OR TO THE SOUTH, THE WAY
THAT THIS IS DESIGNED, IT WILL
ALLOW FOR THOSE TRACKS TO BE
EXTENDED IN EITHER DIRECTION.
AND SO TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THIS IS
THE TRANSIT CENTER.
THIS IS A 3-D RENDERING WHICH
GIVES YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT THE
TRANSIT CENTER AS WELL AS THE
LIGHT RAIL STATION LOOKS LIKE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS DEFINITELY
VERY IMPRESSIVE.
WE’VE ACTUALLY PUSHED VALLEY
METRO AND THEY’VE PUSHED THEIR
ARTISTS TO BE VERY CREATIVE WITH
THIS DESIGN AND THE WAY WE
INCORPORATE ART INTO THE
PROJECT.
SO WE’RE VERY PLEASED SO FAR.
>>THE OTHER QUESTION I GET
ASKED IS CAN PEDESTRIANS USE THE
BRIDGE?
>>CURRENTLY, MADAM CHAIR,
MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE,
CURRENTLY PEDESTRIANS CANNOT USE
THE BRIDGE OVER THE I-17.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WE HAVE HEARD COMMENT BACK AND
WE ARE WORKING WITH VALLEY METRO
TO DECIDE IF THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO
THE DESIGN AT THIS STAGE.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU.
>>AND SO WITH THAT WE ARE STILL
IN THE DESIGN PHASE OF THAT
PROJECT.
WE’RE GOING FROM 60 TO 90%
DESIGN WITH HOPES TO START
CONSTRUCTION IN 2020 WITH
COMPLETION BEGINNING IN 2024.
AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, OUR
REQUEST, IS THAT THE TI&I
SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMEND APPROVAL
TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AN
AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT FUNDING
AGREEMENT WITH VALLEY METRO FOR
AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT NOT TO
EXCEED $159 MILLION FOR THE
SOUTH CENTRAL DOWNTOWN HUB
PROJECT AND $79.4 MILLION FOR
THE NORTHWEST EXTENSION PHASE II
PROJECT TO CONTINUE PROGRESS ON
THE FINAL DESIGN AND
CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I DO.
ON THE DESIGN WE HEAR OF OUR
CURRENT LIGHT RAIL ABOUT HOW
THERE ARE NO — I DON’T EVEN
KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT — THAT
PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO WALK ON THE
PLATFORM AT ANY MOMENT AND THERE
ARE NO BARRIERS IN THE SENSE OF
IF YOU HAVE A PAID TICKET THEN
YOU CAN ENTER.
OUR VALLEY METRO BECAME CREATIVE
BY PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE
GROUND SAYING IF YOU’RE PAST
THIS AREA AND YOU HAVEN’T PAID
FOR YOUR FARE, YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN’T BE IN THIS AREA.
WITH THERE NEW EXPANSIONS, I
WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT OR SEE IF
THERE’S A POSSIBILITY TO ADD
THOSE DYNAMICS AND PIECES AS WE
MOVE FORWARD IN EXPANSION,
BECAUSE I FEEL IN THE FUTURE
WE’RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO
LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW WE
WOULD PLACE THOSE TYPE OF
EQUIPMENT OR DETECTIVE FENCING
NEEDED TO MANAGE THAT.
I THINK IT’S ALSO A SAFETY
ISSUE.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SOMEHOW
BEFORE WE — I KNOW WE’RE
PROBABLY IN NORTHWEST WE’RE IN
FINAL DESIGN — IN NORTHWEST
WE’RE IN FINAL DESIGN — TO LOOK
AND SEE HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE
THAT ON BOTH EXTENSIONS — ON
ALL EXTENSIONS.
>>MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE
SUBCOMMITTEE, WE WILL LOOK INTO
THAT.
>>Councilwoman Guardado: ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE OUT IN
ROYAL PALMS, 19 NORTH TALKED
ABOUT IS — AND WE TALKED ABOUT
SECURITY, MAKING SURE WE HAD —
NOW THAT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A
BRIDGE — IT LOOKS AMAZING, AND
I THINK THE DESIGN LOOKS REALLY
GOOD, BUT I’M ALSO A LITTLE
CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY, MAKING
SURE THAT WE HAVE — WE’RE GOING
TO HAVE ENOUGH SECURITY, THAT
WE’RE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF
THESE SMALL DETAILS AS WE’RE
MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE AS WE HOPEFULLY
CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE LIGHT
RAIL WE DON’T WANT TO PEOPLE TO
HAVE NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES WITH
IT SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE
SUPPORT AROUND IT.
>>MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE
SUBCOMMITTEE, WE HAVE ALREADY
STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH
VALLEY METRO AS WELL AS OUR
PUBLIC TRANSIT DEPARTMENT,
KNOWING THAT FOR BOTH EXTENSIONS
WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR
END OF LINE AS WELL AS OUR OTHER
PLATFORMS THAT WE BRING INTO THE
SYSTEMS, SO THE NORTHWEST
EXTENSION PHASE II IS A LITTLE
UNIQUE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST
TIME WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PARKING
STRUCTURE RIGHT ADJACENT TO OUR
ELEVATED PLATFORM SO WE KNOW
THAT’S GOING TO CREATE SOME
ADDITIONAL SECURITY NEEDS AS
WELL AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT WITH
ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS WE NEED TO
LOOK AT NOT ONLY THE PLATFORM
BUT ALSO OUR PARK AND RIDES TO
MAKE SURE INDIVIDUALS FEEL SAFE
TO PARK THERE, THEY FEEL SAFE TO
LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES THERE AND
RETURN.
>>Councilwoman Williams: I
KNOW I’VE BEEN PRETTY ADAMANT
ABOUT THE GARAGE NEEDS TO BE
WELL LIT.
>>YES.
>>Councilwoman Williams: I
DON’T WANT ANYBODY SLEEPING IN
IT AT NIGHT OR CAUSING ANY
PROBLEMS, AS WELL AS NOT ONLY
THE INTERIOR, BUT THE PERIMETER
NEEDS TO HAVE LIGHTING.
I’M SURE YOU’VE HEARD ME.
>>YES.
YES, I HAVE, MADAM CHAIR.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
ANYONE ELSE?
>>Councilwoman Pastor:
SPEAKING ABOUT THE PARKING
STRUCTURE, BECAUSE I’M THINKING
ABOUT IT IN THE SAFETY SENSE, IS
THERE A WAY WITH MODERN
TECHNOLOGY AND THE WAY WE
PURCHASE FARE TICKETS, IS THERE
A WAY, IF I PURCHASE A FARE
TICKET, THEN THAT FARE TICKET
WILL ALLOW ME IF THERE’S ARMS TO
GO IN AND OUT OF A PARKING
GARAGE, MY FARE TICKET WILL THEN
ALLOW ME TO GO IN AND PARK?
I DON’T KNOW, I’M SURE THERE IS
SOME SOFTWARE OR COULD YOU LOOK
AT THOSE INNOVATIVE WAYS — I’M
THINKING OF SAFETY.
>>THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
LOOK AT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE
DONE IN OUR PARTNERS AT VALLEY
METRO — I SHOULDN’T SAY WE, BUT
VALLEY METRO HAS DONE IS THEY
HAVE CERTAIN FARE ZONES SO WHAT
THEY TRY TO DO IS MAKE SURE
PEOPLE CAN ACCESS CERTAIN AREAS
AND THEN BE ABLE TO PURCHASE
FARES.
SO IF YOU COME TO A PARK AND
RIDE LOCATION AND YOU DON’T
CURRENTLY HAVE FARE, YOU WANT
ABLE TO TO ACCESS THE PARKING
GARAGE PARK, PURCHASE THE FARE,
THEN BE ABLE TO RIDE ON THE
LIGHT RAIL OR BUS OR WHATEVER
MODE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT YOU
WANT TO TAKE, BUT WE CAN
DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT AND SEE
HOW DO WE PLACE — OR MAKE SURE
WE’RE PLACING TICKET VENDING
MEN’S THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS
THAT FARE BEFORE ACCESSING
THOSE —
>>Councilwoman Pastor: THAT’S
NOT — WHAT I’M ASKING FOR IS
I’M VISUALIZING THIS PARKING
AREA AND SIMILAR TO OUR PARKING
GARAGE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WHEN
A FARE IS PURCHASED BEFORE YOU
ENTER THE GARAGE, BECAUSE
THERE’S ARMS OR BARRIERS THAT IN
THAT TICKET THERE’S SOME TYPE OF
CODE SO THAT IF I STICK THE
TICKET INTO THE MACHINE IT WILL
OPEN UP THE ARM FOR ME TO GO
PARK?
IN ORDER FOR ME TO PARK I’VE HAD
TO PAY A FARE.
SO THAT’S WHERE I’M THINKING OF
THE SAFETY ISSUE.
>>WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK
AT THAT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
MARCUS WAS ALLUDING TO IS IF
SOMEONE DOESN’T HAVE THEIR FARE
PURCHASED YET AND WANT TO RIDE
THE RAIL AND THEY HAVE TO PARK,
MAYBE THERE IS A WAY THEY CAN
ACCESS THEIR FARE —
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I’M
THINKING THERE IS A MACHINE
RIGHT AS I’M ENTERING THE
PARKING.
SO IF — THINK OF THE AIRPORT,
TOO — THE MACHINE IS RIGHT
THERE.
SO IF I’M GOING IN, I DON’T HAVE
MY FARE OR I NEED TO ADD TO MY
FARE, I CAN STICK IT IN, ADD, IT
HAS THAT LITTLE CODE, THEN I
JUST PUT MY FOB OR WHATEVER — I
JUST CAME FROM D.C. AND THEY
HAVE A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM.
YOU PUT IT THERE AND IT OPENS UP
THE ARMS AND YOU CAN GO IN.
KIND OF THAT TECHNOLOGY.
THAT’S WHAT I’M LOOKING —
>>Councilwoman Williams: I —
AREN’T THEY GOING TO PUT IN ALL
NEW MACHINES PROBABLY WITHIN
THAT RANGE OF TIME, VENDING
MACHINES FOR TICKETS?
>>YES, WE ARE — PUBLIC TRANSIT
IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF
LOOKING AT A FARE COLLECTIONS
CONTRACTOR TO LOOK AT THE
REGIONAL FARE COLLECTION SYSTEM.
THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE WILL BE
LOOKING AT BY THE TIME WE ARE
COMPLETED WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT
MORE THAN LIKELY, WE’LL HAVE
THAT NEW CAPITOL — THE NEW FARE
VENDING MACHINES AVAILABLE FOR
NOT ONLY THE SOUTH CENTRAL BUT
ALSO THE NORTHWEST EXTENSION
PHASE II PROJECT.
AND SO LOOKING AT WITH THOSE
FARE VENDING MACHINES ARE PLACED
WILL BE PART OF THAT PROCESS.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: SECOND
QUESTION IS ABOUT SOUTH CENTRAL.
I HEARD OCTOBER 14th.
I REMEMBER THAT DATE BECAUSE
THAT’S MY SON’S BIRTHDAY.
SO I’M GLAD ALL THESE THINGS
COINCIDE IN MY MIND WITH
PERSONAL EVENTS.
HAVE YOU STARTED COMMUNICATING
WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE SENSE
OF THIS IS WHAT’S COMING?
I KNOW IT’S — IT’S A BEGINNING,
IT’S NOT CONSTRUCTION, BUT WITH
ALL THE DYNAMICS THAT HAPPENED
WITH SOUTH CENTRAL I THINK THAT
WE HAVE TO DO EXTRA EFFORTS HE
AND BE MINDFUL OF THAT
COMMUNITY, OF HOW WE START
NOTICING.
>>SO, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF
THE SUBCOMMITTEE, YES, WE HAVE
STARTED THAT COMMUNICATION.
RECENTLY WE’VE HOSTED FOUR
PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY
HAVE PRECONSTRUCTION INFORMATION
AT THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL AS
DISTRIBUTING FLYERS THROUGHOUT
THE CORRIDOR.
THEY ALSO GAVE INFORMATION ON
THE PRECONSTRUCTION AND EARLY
CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES THAT
WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE DOWNTOWN
HUB AS WELL AS THE AREA
APPROXIMATELY ROSIER TO
SOUTHERN.
SO WE CANVASSED THAT AREA.
THAT IS FROM 7th AVENUE 7th
STREET FROM PORTLAND ALL THE WAY
TO SOUTH MOUNTAIN AVENUE.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK
YOU.
APPRECIATE YOUR —
>>AND WE ALSO HAVE SIGNAGE AS
WELL.
>>Councilwoman Pastor:
APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
>>Councilwoman Williams: DO
WE HAVE A MOTION?
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I MOVE
ITEM 10, STAFF’S RECOMMENDATION.
>>SECOND.
>>Councilwoman Williams: I
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
[ CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED?
CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
>>ACTUALLY WE’VE COMBINED 10
AND 11.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR SOUTH
CENTRAL EXTENSION DOWNTOWN HUB
PROJECT FUNDING AND THE
NORTHWEST EXTENSION PHASE II
FUNDING, DESIGNED AND
CONSTRUCTION.
>>COUNCILWOMAN STARK: SECOND.
>>Councilwoman Williams: ALL
IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
[ CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY
AGAIN.
IS IT DONE YET?
DO YOU HAVE IT BUILT?
ALL RIGHT.
BRINGS US TO ITEM 12.
STAFF WANT TO GIVE A
PRESENTATION, PLEASE?
>>JIM BENNETT IS HERE FROM THE
AVIATION DEPARTMENT ON THIS
ITEM.
>>MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF
THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I’M JOINED
THIS MORNING WITH — BY JORDAN
FELLED OUR DEPUTY AVIATION
DIRECTOR FOR PLANNING AND
ENVIRONMENTAL AND ALSO JAY
DEWITT OUR DEPUTY AVIATION
DIRECTOR FOR FINANCE TO DISCUSS
THIS ITEM.
TODAY WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING
TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE ARE THREE
SEPARATE BUT RELATED ITEMS
RELATED TO THE CITY CODE AS IT
AFFECTS THE LAND SIDE OPERATIONS
AT SKY HARBOR INTERNATIONAL
AIRPORT.
THE FIRST IS WE ARE PROPOSING
CHANGES TO THE COMMERCIAL GROUND
TRANSPORTATION FEE SCHEDULE
THAT’S CURRENTLY IN THE CITY
CODE.
SECOND, WE ARE RECOMMENDING
ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PARKING RATE
CAP THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE
PHOENIX CITY CODE.
AND THEN, THIRDLY, WE ARE
RECOMMENDING INCREASES TO THE
UNATTENDED VEHICLE SANCTIONS
THAT ARE IN PLACE AT SKY HARBOR.
NOW, THESE CHANGES THAT WE’RE
PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY AND
RECOMMENDING WERE THOROUGHLY
REVIEWED AND ARE BEING
RECOMMENDED ALSO BY UNANIMOUS
VOTE.
THE PHOENIX AVIATION ADVISORY
BOARD IN THEIR LAST MEETING.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE A QUICK
SECOND TO RECOGNIZE THE WORK
THAT LEE Z. KIM, THE CHAIR OF
OUR BOARD, DID ON THIS ITEM, AS
WELL AS ANDREW, COHEN, OUR CHAIR
OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
SUBCOMMITTEE AND BOARD MEMBER
STEPHANIE CHURNY FOR THEIR
INVOLVEMENT IN THIS ITEM.
SO JUST A VERY BRIEF REMINDER ON
MY PART.
YOU REMEMBER THAT THE AIRPORT
OPERATES AS A SELF-SUSTAINING
BUSINESS AND REQUIRES BUSINESSES
DOING BUSINESS AT AT THE AIRPORT
TO PAY COST RECOVERY OR FAIR
MARKET VALUE FOR THE USE OF
AIRPORT FACILITIES TO ACCESS THE
COMMERCIAL MARKET THAT WE HAVE
CREATED.
OF COURSE, IT IS THE REVENUE
THAT IS GENERATED FROM THOSE
BUSINESSES THAT ALLOW THE
AIRPORT TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING,
TO MEET ITS BOND HOLDER
COVENANTS, TO INVEST IN ITS
FACILITIES, AND TO GROW AND TO
CONTINUE SUPPORT THE PHOENIX AND
THE ARIZONA ECONOMY.
SO TODAY WE’RE RECOMMENDING
CHANGES THAT WE FEEL ARE
REASONABLE AND WILL MOSTLY
ELIMINATE A SUBSIDY THAT WE
CURRENTLY PROVIDE TO THE
COMMERCIAL GROUND TRANSPORTATION
INDUSTRY AT THE AIRPORT.
NOW I WOULD ASK JORDAN FELLED,
OUR DEPUTY RATION DIRECTOR, TO
REVIEW OUR RECOMMENDATIONS
TODAY.
>>THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
GIVE THE UPDATE.
VERY QUICKLY ON GROUND
TRANSPORTATION, THERE’S A FEW
BACKGROUNDS POINTS WE WANTED TO
SHARE.
THE FIRST IS TODAY WE COLLECT
ABOUT $9 MILLION, OUR GT COSTS
ARE CLOSER TO $26 MILLION.
SO THAT RIGHT THERE KIND OF
DEFINES THE GAP THAT MR. BENNETT
JUST REFERRED TO.
GT COSTS INCLUDE CURBS,
ROADWAYS, SKY TRAIN, MAINTENANCE
AND PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING YOU
WOULD IMAGINE WITH THIS VERY
LARGE OPERATION AT SKY HARBOR.
IT’S A MAJOR BUSINESS LINE FOR
THE AIRPORT.
AS MR. BENNETT NOTED, WE
RECENTLY COMPLETED A VERY
COLLABORATIVE STAKEHOLDER
PROCESS.
WE ALSO TALK ABOUT THE
COLLABORATION WE DO WITH
COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND BUSINESS
PARTNERS.
THIS WAS REALLY A TRULY
COLLABORATIVE PROCESS IN THE
SENSE THAT STAKEHOLDERS
IDENTIFIED THE SCOPE OF WORK WE
WOULD TAKE, THE PEER AIRPORTS WE
WOULD LOOK AT AND WE ALLOWED THE
STAKEHOLDERS TO IDENTIFY THE
CONSULTANTS WE USE AND ALSO
HIRED AN OMBUDSMAN CONSULTANT TO
EXPLAIN SOME OF THE WONKIER DATA
COLLECTION.
SO AN OMBUDSMAN CALL SOME
OPPORTUNITY VASE AVAILABLE TO
HELP SYNTHESIZE INFORMATION AND
GIVE FEEDBACK TO STAFF AND WE
THINK IT WORKED WELL.
A KEY TAKEAWAY FROM THE
STAKEHOLDER-DRIVEN PEER REVIEW,
YOU CAN SEE THE PEER AIRPORTS WE
LOOKED AT ON THE RIGHT.
THEY RANGE IN SIZE FROM AUSTIN,
TO DALLAS, MIDWAY,
SAN FRANCISCO.
ALL THE AIRPORTS WE LOOKED AT
HAD HIGHER GT FEES IN EVERY
CATEGORY, MEANING TAXI FEES,
LIMO FEES, SHUTTLE FEES, TNC
FEES.
THE BIGGEST GAP WAS IN THAT TNC
CATEGORY.
WE’RE IN THAT SLICK CITY, AUSTIN
QUINN TILE AS AN AIRPORT.
OUR BUSINESSES PROCESSES ARE
MUCH MORE LIKE THE AIRPORTS AT
THE TOP END.
THE OTHER TAKEAWAY, TO DO AN
APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON WE
LOOKED AT O AND D, ORIGINATING
AND DESTINATION TRAFFIC.
THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO COMPARE
AIRPORTS.
THE AIRPORT HAS ABOUT $310 PER
THOUSAND O AND D PASSENGER
COMPARED TO OVER $500 FOR THE
PEER AVERAGE, AND CLOSER TO $900
AND A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR AGAIN
THOSE AIRPORTS YOU WOULD MORE
LIKELY ASSOCIATE WITH SKY
HARBOR.
ONE OF THE KEY — AND PLEASE
STOP ME IF THERE’S ANY
QUESTIONS.
I ADMIT THIS IS ECONOMIC DORK
DATA.
ONE OF THE KEY POLICY ISSUES FOR
THE AIRPORT IS STRATEGIES,
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS; THINGS
THAT MINIMIZE TRAFFIC ON THE
TERMINAL ROADWAY SYSTEM.
RECENTLY THE CITY COUNCIL LOOKED
AT THE COMPREHENSIVE ASSET
MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND LOOKED AT
THE SECURITY NEEDS AND
CUT-THROUGH ISSUES, THE SKY
TRAIN IS A VERY OBVIOUS
IMPROVEMENT TOWARDS MINIMIZING
CONGESTION IMPACTS.
AND IT’S NOT UNRELATED TO THIS
TOPIC.
GT, THE WAY WE OPERATE AND BRING
OUR PASSENGERS IN AND OUT HAS AN
INFLUENCE ON THAT TERMINAL
ROADWAY SYSTEM.
SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT
INCENTIVES FOR GT TO MINIMIZE
THAT IMPACT.
THE 24th STREET STATION WE’RE
BUILDING NOW IS A ANOTHER GREAT
EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO THE STAKEHOLDER COLLABORATION
STARTED OVER A YEAR AGO IN THE
SCOPING AND CONSULTANT
IDENTIFICATION PROCESS AND AS WE
WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH THE
PROCESS, THESE ARE KIND OF THE
KEY THINGS THAT EMERGED.
THE FIRST WAS AS WE MAKE
CHANGES, MAKE SURE THAT WE
IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES WITH THE
STAKEHOLDERS.
SO AFTER WE LEAVE THE CODE
AMENDMENT PROCESS, MAKE SURE WE
CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THEM.
AS IT TURNS OUT, WE’RE
RECOMMENDING A DROP-OFF FEE,
WHICH WE DON’T HAVE TODAY, AND A
PICK-UP FEE.
THE REMOTE DROP OFF IS AND
PICK-UP IS IMPORTANT TO THE —
FEE PREDICTABILITY.
OBVIOUSLY FOR THESE BUSINESSES
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL CHANGE OVER
TIME IN TERMS OF THEIR BUSINESS
MODEL HERE.
SO WE’RE RECOMMENDING A VERY
SIMPLISTIC WAY OF KEEPING UP
WITH CPI OVER TIME SO AN ANNUAL
ADJUSTMENT OF 3% OR CPI.
THAT GIVES STAKEHOLDERS THE MOST
PREDICTABILITY POSSIBLE.
FARE CURB SHARE, MEANING THE
TYPES OF GT ACTIVITY THAT ARE
THE MOST DOMINANT SHOULD
ECONOMICALLY SPEAKING HAVE THE
MOST CURB ALLOCATION.
SO WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF
THAT, BUT ALSO TRY TO FIND WAYS
TO ENSURE THAT AMENITIES ENJOYED
BY SOME OF THE LOWER MAGNITUDE
PROVIDERS, THEY GET TO KEEP
THEIR CURB SHARE AS WELL.
SO THERE IS A BIT OF A TRICK WE
NOW NEED TO PULL OFF, WHICH IS
FAIRLY ALLOCATE MORE ACTIVITY
FIFE TEE TO THE GROWING BUT ALSO
MAKE SURE WE’RE MAINTAINING
AMENITIES FOR OTHER GT
PROVIDERS.
AND INCREASING THE TECHNOLOGY.
THEIR MODEL VERY MUCH RUNS ON
SEAMLESS TECHNOLOGY.
THE AIRPORT WOULD MAKE
INVESTMENTS IN THOSE AREAS,
PROVIDE BETTER BRANDING AND
IDENTIFICATION AND
IDENTIFICATION IN THE TERMINAL
AREA FOR TNCs, AND BECAUSE THE
TNCs FEES WE LOOKED AT OTHER
AIRPORTS WERE SO DIFFERENT FROM
SKY HARBOR, IT IS FAIR TO PHASE
IN TOWARDS THOSE.
GIVE THE TNC’S A BIT OF TIME TO
REACT.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE
SHOWING ON THE SLIDE ARE VERY
MUCH PART OF THE CURB, THE
ORDINANCE WE ARE RECOMMENDING
THAT CAN BE CODIFIED, BUT THINGS
LIKE THE PARTNERSHIP, THE
TECHNOLOGY INVESTMENT, THOSE ARE
OBVIOUSLY NOT REALLY CODE ITEMS.
SO WE’VE AGREED TO THOSE THROUGH
THE DISCUSSIONS WITH, AS JIM
MENTIONED, THE PHOENIX AVIATION
ADVISORY BOARD AND EMAILS AND
DISCUSSIONS, AND WE UNDERSTAND
THOSE NON-CODE AGREEMENT ITEMS
THAT ARE IMPORTANT WOULD ALSO
BENEFIT FROM A LETTER FROM THE
AVIATION SERVICES DIRECTOR.
WE’RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO DO THAT
TO HELP CODIFY THOSE ISSUES TO
SHOW WE TOTALLY AGREE AND PLAN
TO IMPLEMENT THAT MODERNIZATION
AND THE IMPLEMENTATION
PARTNERSHIP.
>>WHEN YOU SAY THE NON-CODE
AGREEMENT, COULD YOU PLEASE
ELABORATE ON THAT?
>>ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU.
SO SOME OF THESE ITEMS EASILY
TRANSLATE INTO LEGISLATIVE TEXT
THAT WE CAN PUT IN CODE.
SO PHASING IN THE FEES, THE CURB
SHARE ALLOCATION, AND HOW THE
DIFFERENT FEES WORK, BUT THE
IMPLEMENTATION PARTNERSHIP IN
DOING THAT, IT’S HARD TO DESIGN
A REGULATION THAT GIVES THOSE
STAKE OLDERS WHAT THEY NEED.
SO IT’S MORE OF A NARRATIVE
LETTER THAT WOULD AGREE TO THOSE
THINGS.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO
BASICALLY YOU ARE SAYING IT’S
NOT PART OF THE CODE.
IT’S AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN
DISCUSSED, I WOULD SAY, IN THE
PAD COMMITTEE, AND THEN THAT
WILL NOW BE FORMALLY PLACED IN A
LETTER?
>>THAT IS CORRECT.
WE HAVE AGREED TO — ONE OF THE
REQUESTS WAS ENHANCED SIGNAGE.
SO THAT THE CUSTOMERS COULD MORE
EASILY IDENTIFY AND FIND THE
PICKUP AND DROP-OFF LOCATIONS
FOR THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK
COMPANIES.
WE HAVE AGREED TO THAT ENHANCED
WIFI COVERAGE ON THE CURBS FOR
THEIR TECHNOLOGY.
WE HAVE AGREED TO THOSE ITEMS,
BUT THEY’RE REALLY DAY-TO-DAY
OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT I WILL
COMMIT TO THOSE IN A LETTER TO
THOSE COMPANIES.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: AND
IT’S AGREEMENT THAT I WOULD — I
WOULD VALUE IN THE SENSE OF IT’S
IN THE BEST INTERESTS ALSO FOR
THE CUSTOMER BUT IN THE BEST
INTEREST OF THE AIRPORT AND THE
WHOLE SYSTEM IN GENERAL, FOR
EVERYBODY TO WORK IN A
COLLECTIVE.
>>CORRECT.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK
YOU.
>>THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
LET’S GET INTO THE ACTUAL CODE
NUTS AND BOLTS THAT’S BEING
RECOMMENDED.
LET’S START WITH THE
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK
COMPANIES.
THESE ARE PROBABLY THE HARDER OF
THE FEE SCHEDULES BEING PROPOSED
HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE
PHASE-IN WE’RE PROPOSING FOR
CODE, TAKING THEM FROM $4 ON
JANUARY 1st OF 2020 UP TO $5
BY THE YEAR 202024 AND YOU CAN
SEE AFTER THAT POINT JUST LIKE
THE NON-TNCs I AM ABOUT TO
TALK B THEY WOULD HAVE THAT 3%
CPI INCREASE GOING FORWARD.
ONE THING WE COULD CODIFIED IS
THAT CURB SHARE.
TODAY THE TNCs REPRESENT ABOUT
70% OF OUR GT ACTIVITY.
WE CAN’T CHANGE THE CURBS FROM
30% TO 35% WHICH THEY HAVE TODAY
TO 70% IN ONE YEAR, BUT VERY
EASY TO DO — IS TO DO THAT OVER
THREE YEARS, WHAT YOU’RE SEEING
HERE AND BY YEAR 2023, WE WOULD
SET THAT CURB DIRECTLY TO
WHATEVER THEIR PERCENTAGE SHARE
WAS FOR THAT PROCEEDING YEAR
AND — PRECEDING YEAR AND WE
UNDERSTAND THAT’S ACCEPTABLE TO
THE TNCS.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS
THE 30% REDUCTION IN FEES FOR
THE REMOTE PICKUP AND DROP-OFF.
AND ENHANCED BRANDING AND
TECHNOLOGY MR. BENNETT JUST
TALKED ABOUT AND COUNCILWOMAN
PASTOR — YES?
>>Councilwoman Stark: GOING
BACK — SORRY.
GOING BACK TO THE 30% REMOTE,
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF I
WAS PAYING IT, THE 30% OF $4 IN
2020 AND THEN 30% — SO IT JUST
KEEPS GOING —
>>RIGHT.
>>Councilwoman Stark: SO IT’S
AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE USING
UBER AND LYFT TO GO TO THE
REMOTE AND THEN CONNECT ON SKY
TRAIN?
>>EXACTLY.
>>Councilwoman Stark: OKAY.
THANK YOU.
>>THE BEST WAY TO GET THE CARS
OFF THE TERMINAL ROADWAY IS TO
GIVE THEM SOME REASON TO NOT USE
THE TERMINAL ROADWAYS, IS A LESS
WONKIER WAY TO SAY THAT.
>>Councilwoman Williams: HOW
SOON WILL THE 24th STREET
STATION BE AVAILABLE?
>>THE 24th STREET STATION
WILL BECOME OPERATIONAL TOWARDS
THE END OF THE SECOND QUARTER OF
2022.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
OKAY.
>>BUT THE 44th STREET STATION
IS AVAILABLE TODAY.
>>Councilwoman Williams: YOU
CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT MANY CARS?
>>YES, MA’AM.
>>Councilwoman Pastor:
JORDAN, YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS IN
A MEETING I KEPT HEARING $10,
$10.
SO WHAT I’M SEEING ON THIS CHART
RIGHT NOW, IT’S REALLY $4 FOR
DROP-OFF, $4 FOR PICK-UP, THE
30%, WHICH IS $8, AND WHAT IS
HAPPENING IS WITHIN FIVE YEARS,
I THINK THAT’S WHAT THEY WERE
SPEAKING OF, IN FIVE YEARS,
THEN, IT WILL HAVE GOTTEN TO THE
$10 FOR A DROP-OFF AND PICKUP,
AND THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL?
>>RIGHT.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY.
AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING WHERE
THE COLLABORATIVE PEER AIRPORT
FEE REVIEW, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT
OMD, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
FARES ARE TWO YEARS BEHIND.
SO WHEN THIS WAS DONE AND
TAKEN — SO THESE FARES
CURRENTLY, WHERE IT SAYS 2.66
FOR PHOENIX, THEY’RE NOT UP TO
DATE IN THE SENSE WE DON’T HAVE
THE CURRENT FEE?
>>SO, YES, AND THAT’S TRUE OF
BOTH THE PEER AIRPORTS — ANY
KIND OF STUDY.
YOU’RE TYPICALLY GOING TO BE A
LITTLE BEHIND THE DATA YOU’RE
COLLECTING.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO
CHICAGO MIDWAY COULD BE HIGHER
THAN BECAUSE IT’S TWO YEARS
OLDER — I’M ASSUMING THERE WAS
A PERCENTAGE EVERY YEAR OR
SOMETHING.
>>NOT ONLY IS THAT THE CASE,
COUNCILWOMAN, BUT THESE OTHER
AIRPORTS ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT
WAYS OF COLLECTING GT REVENUES.
SO IN SOME CASES THERE IS PROFIT
SHARING OR OTHER TYPES OF
MODELS.
SO IT IS TOUGH TO PROVIDE ON THE
MINUTE ACCURATE DATA FOR ALL
THESE AIRPORT RATES.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: GOT
IT.
>>Councilwoman Guardado: I
HAD A QUESTION.
CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT
ON HOW WE GOT TO THOSE RATES,
BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND
AT SOME POINT IT WAS A FLAT FEE,
JUST $5, AND THEN THAT’S CHANGE
OVER TIME A LITTLE BIT.
SO COULD YOU ELABORATE ON
THOUSAND WE GOT THERE?
>>THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
I’LL LET OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR
GIVE YOU A VERY TECHNICAL ANSWER
AS WELL, BUT BEFORE I UNLEASH
HIM — SO I GUESS, ONE, IT’S
IMPORTANT TO NOTE, ALMOST EVERY
AIRPORT WE LOOKED AT HAD
DROP-OFF AND PICK-UP FEES.
THAT’S THE FIRST THING.
WE’RE MOVING FROM JUST PICK-UP
TO DROP-OFF.
THAT EXPLAINS THE NUMBERS.
IF YOU’RE A BUSINESS, YOU LOOK
AT THAT TOTAL NUMBER, THE 10 YOU
MENTIONED.
SO THAT TIES INTO EVERY AIRPORT
WE LOOKED AT COST RECOVERS OR
ATTEMPTS TO COST RECOVER FOR
THIS ACTIVITY.
SO IN SOME WAYS THESE NUMBERS
REFLECT A LITTLE BIT OF REVERSE
ENGINEERING IN THE SENSE WE LOOK
AT OUR COSTS AND THEN TRY TO
FAIRLY ALLOCATE THAT COST TO THE
ACTIVITY THAT SURROUNDS IT, AND
WITH THAT PLAN REVIEW OF IT,
I’LL LET MY FINANCE DIRECTOR
GIVE YOU A MORE TECHNICAL
ANSWERS.
>>WE ALLOCATE COSTS FOR
AIRLINES AND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE
AND SO WE’RE PRETTY GOOD AT
THIS.
SO TO START, WE HAVE A $26
MILLION NUT, THAT IS THE TOTAL
COST OF ALL THE GROUND
TRANSPORTATION AT THE AIRPORT,
LAND SIDE.
SIMILAR TO $150 MILLION FOR AIR
SIDE AND THE TERMINALS, WE
ALLOCATE THOSE TO THE AIRLINES,
WE ALLOCATE THOSE
CONCESSIONAIRES LAND SIDE WE
ATTEMPT TO ALLOCATE TO THE
GROUND TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS.
SO $26 MILLION, WE HAVE COME UP
WITH SOME QUALITATIVE AND
QUANTITATIVE MEASURES TO
ALLOCATE THOSE BE AND THEY GO BY
THE VOLUME, AMOUNT OF CURB SPACE
THEY NEED, RESOURCES THEY NEED,
STAFF TIME, PUBLIC SAFETY
RESOURCES AND TECHNOLOGY
RESOURCES.
AND SO WE PUT ALL THOSE TOGETHER
AND ADDED THEM UP TO COME UP
WITH THE NUMBERS YOU SEE HERE.
I CAN GET INTO A WHOLE LOT MORE
DETAIL BUT I DON’T WANT TO GET
TOO FAR AHEAD, IF YOU LIKE.
IS THAT ENOUGH?
THAT’S MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE
LIKE.
>>THANK YOU.
>>APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS,
AGAIN.
SO I’LL QUICKLY MOVE HERE AND WE
CAN COME BACK TO ANY OF THESE
SLIDES.
SIMILAR TO THE TNC, SO THE
NON-TNCs, THESE ARE TAXIS,
LIMOS, SHUTTLES, INNER CITY
BUSES, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, A
MUCH MORE SIMPLISTIC SCHEDULE.
THIS REFLECTS MINOR INCREASES IN
EVERY CATEGORY CONSISTENT WITH
ALL THE PEER AIRPORTS.
THE AVERAGE — EVERY SINGLE TYPE
WAS A BIT HIGHER THAN SKY
HARBOR.
SO WE’RE ADJUSTING THAT.
AND SIMILAR TO THE TNCS, VERY
FOCUSED ON PREDICTABLE INCREASES
OVER TIME SO THEY’RE ABLE TO
MANAGE THEIR BUSINESSES
EFFECTIVELY, SUSTAINABLY OVER
TIME.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
JASON, DO YOU BASE THAT ON THE
INCREASE OF PASSENGERS THAT GO
THROUGH THE AIRPORT?
>>IT DOES, MAD — THANK YOU FOR
THAT.
THE FINANCIAL MODELING JAY DOES
AROUND THIS ABSOLUTELY REFLECT
CHANGE OVER TIME AND PASSENGER
DEMAND, O AND D TRAFFIC, EVEN
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THE
SECURITY PLAZA.
>>SO GOING BACK TO THAT LAST
LINE, WHEN YOU NOTED LIKE 2024,
YOU’RE TALKING 60 MILLION PEOPLE
GO THROUGH SKY HARBOR?
I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE TODAY, 48 —
>>MADAM CHAIR, WE WILL BE AT
ABOUT 46 MILLION THIS YEAR.
CORRECT.
>>
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU.
>>JUST LIKE THE TNCs, THE
REMOTE ACTIVITY INCENTIVE IS
IMPORTANT TO THE SHUTTLES.
SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET
THAT INCENTIVE.
WHILE THE TNCs DEFINING THAT
CURB SHARE WAS IMPORTANT TO
THEM, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT
COIN IMPORTANT TO THE LIMOS,
TAXIS AND EVERYONE ELSE IS
FRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT CURB
THAT THEY HAVE.
SO THAT’S WHY YOU’RE SEEING THIS
PHASE-IN OF THE CURB ALLOCATION,
SO THAT WE CAN FIND ADDITIONAL
CURB FOR TNCs WITHOUT
NECESSARILY TAKING AWAY FROM
THESE OTHER PROVIDERS AND THE
AMENITIES THEY HAVE.
SO THAT’S IT FOR THE GT FEES
PART OF THE CODE AMENDMENT, AS
MR. BENNETT MENTIONED.
THERE’S THREE PARTS TO THIS.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS.
THESE PARTS WILL MOVE A BIT
QUICKER.
>>Councilwoman Williams: ANY
QUESTIONS?
GO AHEAD.
>>THANK YOU.
SO PARKING RATE CAPS.
TODAY IN CITY CODE WE HAVE
PARKING RATE CAPS.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADJUSTED
SINCE 2008.
THE HAS OBVIOUSLY GROWN.
SINCE THEN THE CPI HAS INCREASED
SINCE THEN.
SO WE’RE PROPOSING A CAP ON THE
RATES, MEANING THE MOST WE COULD
CHARGE FOR PARKING, TO BE SET AT
A LEVEL COMMENSURATE WITH THE
CPI GROWTH SINCE 2008.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE’S NO
STRUCTURE TODAY FOR HOLIDAYS
THAT WOULD KEEP UP WITH CPI.
SO RELATED TO THE LAST POINT, WE
WOULD PUT IN CODE — ANNUAL IT
WOULD BE R EITHER BE 3% OR CPI
GOING FORWARD AND FINALLY WE
HAVE A BIT TO DIFFICULT HOURLY
CODE TREATMENT FOR HOURLY
PARKING.
SO WE’RE SUGGESTING WE PROVIDE A
SIMPLE FLAT RATE FOR OURLY
PARKING.
FINALLY, UNATTENDED VEHICLES,
YOU’LL RECALL ABOUT A YEAR AGO
WE HAD A BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH
THIS, IT SHUT DOWN A GOOD
PORTION OF THE AIR FOR SEVERAL
HOURS.
MARIJUANA THE ECONOMIC IMPACT
HIT THE AIRPORT TAKES.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING THE MAXIMUM
SANCTIONS AND FINES ALLOWABLE
UNDER STATE LAW FOR UNATTENDED
VEHICLES IN THE TERMINAL CURB
AREA.
SO THIS RESTATES THE STAFF
RECOMMENDATION, WHICH AS
MR. BENNETT POINTED OUT, VERY
MUCH DEPENDENT ON THE HARD WORK
OF OUR PHOENIX AVIATION ADVISORY
BOARD MEMBERS, TWO OF WHICH I
BELIEVE ARE HERE TODAY, FOR
HELPING US GET TO THIS POINT.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION AND YOUR GREAT
QUESTIONS.
WE’RE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY
ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
>>Councilwoman Williams: I
HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
IS THAT THE MAXIMUM WE CAN
CHARGE FOR AN IDIOT THAT
PARKS —
>>SEVERAL ATTORNEYS HAVE
ASSURED US THAT IS THE MAXIMUM
WE CAN POSSIBLY LEVY HERE.
I DID LEAVE OUT THAT WE ALSO
WOULD DEEM THE ACTIVITY AS A
NUISANCE, MEANING WE COULD
IMMEDIATELY ABATE IT, TOW IT,
GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
SO AS THE AIRPORT PLANNER, THAT
IS THE REAL FIX, IS TO GET THAT
PROBABLE OFF THE TERMINAL ROAD
LIKE THAT, AND THEN THE FINES
ARE THE MOST WE CAN DO.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
WELL, WE DO HAVE CARDS.
SHOULD WE GO TO THE CARDS?
>>YES.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
OKAY.
LEE Z. KIM?
EACH CARD CAN HAVE TWO MINUTES.
>>THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
MY NAME IS LEE Z. KIM, HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE PHOENIX AVIATION
ADVISORY BOARD, THE ORGANIZATION
OF WHICH I AM THE CHAIR THIS
YEAR.
I’M ALSO HERE BECAUSE ALONG WITH
TWO OF MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WE
WERE VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN
THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE ABOUT THE
TNC RATES AS WELL AS THE PACKAGE
OVERALL.
WE DID THIS, THIS WAS ANDREW
COHEN AND STEPHANIE CHURNY AND
MYSELF, BECAUSE WE ARE UNIQUELY
POSITIONED IN THAT WE ARE THREE
BOARD MEMBERS WHO WERE ON THE
BOARD AT THE TIME.
WE INITIALLY WELCOMED THE TNCs
TO THE AIRPORT THREE YEARS AGO
AND WE WERE ACTIVELY PART OF
THAT NEGOTIATION.
AND WE ALSO THOUGHT OF OURSELVES
AS SOMETHING OF NEUTRALS IN
THIS.
WE ARE NOT THE AIRPORT.
WE ARE NOT THE TNCs, BUT WE
ARE UNIQUELY POSITIONED BECAUSE
WE KNOW VERY MUCH THE AIRPORT
OPERATIONS AND WE STAND IN SOME
WAYS AS YOU ALL DO IN THE SHOES
OF THE PUBLIC.
SO I’LL TELL YOU THAT THE THREE
OF US WERE INVOLVED IN THREE
DAYS OF PRETTY INTENSE
NEGOTIATIONS.
ONE DAY THAT WAS IN PERSON, TWO
THAT WERE BY PHONE.
AND WE FEEL THAT WE ACTUALLY
DID — BY THE WAY, EVERYONE WHO
WAS INVOLVED WAS VERY ACTIVELY
INVOLVED, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO
THANK BOTH THE AIRPORT STAFF AS
WELL AS THE REPRESENTATIVES OF
THE TWO TN Cs INVOLVED.
I’M A LITTLE MUCH BRET, BECAUSE
I RAN HERE BECAUSE I HAD TO PUT
EXTRA MONEY IN MY METER.
EXCUSE ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM BOTH,
ALL OF THEM, FOR THEIR
COOPERATION.
THEY DID SPEND A TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE DID AS WELL.
BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE
TO THE AIRPORT AND VERY
IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THIS
COMMUNITY ABOUT THE CHANGING WAY
THAT TRANSPORTATION WORKS,
PARTICULARLY HERE AT THE
AIRPORT.
WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAME TO WHAT
IS A GOOD RESULT.
BOTH SIDES — WE FORCED BOTH
SIDES TO GIVE A LITTLE.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE AIRPORT
ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR A RATE THAT
WAS HIGHER.
WE ASKED THE TNCS TO ASK FOR
WHAT IS REALLY MEANINGFUL TO
THEM IN TERMS OF THEIR BUSINESS,
THINGS THE AIRPORT COULD GIVE
THEM THAT WERE MEANINGFUL THAT
WERE BEYOND JUST ABOUT THE
RATES.
THUS WE HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL
ELEMENTS THAT ALLOWED THEM TO
HAVE LARGER CURB SPACE, CURB
SPACE THAT GROWS AS THEIR FEES
GROW, AND COMMENSURATE WITH THE
ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF USAGE OF
THEIR DRIVERS ON THE AIRPORT
CURB SPACE.
THE AIRPORT AGREED TO ADDITIONAL
BRANDING, WHICH IS SOMETHING
THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
WE ALSO THOUGHT IT WAS VERY GOOD
FOR USE THER.
THE ULTIMATE CUSTOMER USER.
AS WELL AS THE AIRPORT AGREED TO
PAY FOR ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY SO
THAT WHEN YOU ARE ON THE CURB
YOU WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO
FIND AND WATCH YOUR LITTLE CAR
ON YOUR PHONE A LITTLE FASTER.
THE AIRPORT ALSO AGREE TO DO
SCALE THE FEES THAT WERE COMING
IN AND THE TNCs WERE ALSO
VERY — THEY WERE ALSO ENGAGED
IN THAT PROCESS VERY WELL.
SO ON BEHALF OF THE AIRPORT
ADVISORY BOARD, AS YOU HEARD,
THIS PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE,
AND WE HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THAT
INTO CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU.
NEXT IS PIPER.
>>GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR,
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
MY NAME IS PIPER OVERSTREET.
I AM BEHALF OF BEHALF OF UBER TO
OPPOSE THIS EGREGIOUS FEE
PROPOSAL.
THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY TNCS
HAVE BECOME AN INTEGRAL PART OF
THE AIRPORT EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR
CONSTITUENTS WHO RELY ON
RIDESHARING AS A SAFE, RELIABLE
AND AFFORDABLE TRANSPORTATION
OPTION.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE AIRPORT
GENERATES COSTS WITH RESPECT TO
THE DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF TNC
OPERATIONS.
AS SUCH, UBER SUPPORTS THE
AIRPORT IN SETTING TRIP FEES
THAT COVER THOSE COSTS.
WHAT WE CANNOT SUPPORT IS THIS
SHAKEDOWN OF A FEE PROPOSAL THAT
IS NOT PROPORTIONATE TO OUR
IMPACT ON THE AIRPORT.
PER THIS PROPOSAL, WE ARE BEING
MADE RESPONSIBLE FOR 80% OF SKY
TRAIN OPERATIONS AND
MAINTENANCE, A PROJECT NOT
RATIONALLY RELATED TO OUR RIDERS
OR OUR BUSINESS.
WHY SHOULD RIDESHARE RIDERS PAY
EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER FARES TO
GET TO AND FROM THE AIRPORT FOR
SOMETHING THAT IS DOES NOT
ENHANCE THEIR RIDESHARE
EXPERIENCE?
FURTHERMORE, THERE IS A 185%
DISPARITY BETWEEN WHAT TNCS
WOULD BE PAYING UNDER THIS
PROPOSAL AS COMPARED TO OTHER
SIMILAR GROUND TRANSPORTATION
PROVIDERS.
AGAIN, WHY IS THIS THE CASE?
THE AIRPORT SHOULDN’T BE IN THE
BUSINESS OF CHOOSING WINNERS AND
LOSERS IN ONE INDUSTRY OR
ANOTHER.
IF WE COMPLETE A HIGHER VOLUME
OF TRIPS, WHICH HAS BEEN STATED,
THEN OTHER GROUND TRANSPORTATION
PROVIDERS, THEN WE WILL
NATURALLY PAY MORE TO THE
AIRPORT.
THERE IS NO NEED TO ARBITRARILY
IDENTIFY A HIGHER FEE AMOUNT
UNDER NO REAL BASIS.
THANK YOU.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU.
GEORGE KEVACH?
>>GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU.
GEORGE WITH LYFT ON THE PUBLIC
POLICY TEAM.
I HAD EXTENSIVE REMARKS PREPARED
BUT I THINK I’M GOING TO CHANGE
THOSE BECAUSE WHAT BECAME VERY
CLEAR IN THIS CONVERSATION WAS
HOW IMPORTANT THESE HEARINGS ARE
AND THESE MEETINGS ARE TO GET
INFORMATION OUT INTO THE PUBLIC.
SOME THINGS WERE SAID THIS
MORNING THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE GET A LITTLE CLARITY ON.
FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK THE
PAD BECAUSE CHAIR KIM WAS
INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE AND
HELPFUL AS WE DISCUSSED THIS AS
THIS ISSUE KIND OF — SIDESWIPED
US A LITTLE BIT AFTER JORDAN
MENTIONED OF THE OVER A YEAR OF
NEGOTIATION.
SPENT A YEAR WORKING VERY, VERY
CLOSELY WITH THE CITY AND IN
SEVEN DAYS ALL OF THAT WAS
THROWN ASIDE.
SO ON SEPTEMBER 12th, WALKED
INTO A MEETING, EVERYTHING THAT
WAS PUT ON THE TABLE AS PART OF
OUR STUDY ANALYSIS, PUT ASIDE,
NEW NUMBERS WERE PRESENTED.
BY SEPTEMBER 19th, SEVEN DAYS
LATER WE HAD A WHOLE NEW SET OF
NUMBERS FROM $10 TO $4.
INCREDIBLE NEGOTIATION.
I HAVE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR 13
YEARS.
NEVER IN FOUR HOURS HAVE I SEEN
SUCH DEDICATED STAFF WORK
THROUGH THE AIRPORT.
BUT I THINK WHAT IS CLEAR IS THE
LACK OF INFORMATION PRESENTED TO
THE COUNCIL AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
NUMBER ONE, I HAVE NOT SEEN A
LETTER REGARDING ADDITIONAL
COMMITMENTS THAT THESE COMPANIES
ARE BEING MADE.
IF WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THIS
HEARING UNTIL WE CAN ALL REVIEW
SAID LETTER, UNTIL AS THE
AIRPORT BOARD MEMBERS MENTIONED,
WE ARE LOOKING AT A BUSINESS
AGREEMENT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SIGN
THE DODD LINE AND MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE ORDINANCE.
CURRENTLY THESE ARE VERBAL
COMMITMENTS WE HAVE MADE TO ONE
ANOTHER.
BUT THERE IS NO WRITING OR
COMMITMENT BY ANY OF THE
PARTIES.
NUMBER TWO, A MENTION WAS MADE
ABOUT GETTING CURBSIDE —
GETTING FOLKS OFF THE CURB.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE
DISINGENUOUS IN ONE SLIDE TO SAY
WE’RE GOING TO COMMIT CURBSIDE
SPACE AND IN THE SAME BREATH
WE’RE GOING TO KICK YOU ALL OFF
THE CURB BECAUSE THAT’S MY
PRIMARY GOAL.
IF THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE
CONGESTION AT THE AIRPORT AND
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 60 MILLION
PASSENGERS, THOSE AREN’T 60
MILLION TNC DRIVERS.
IF YOU WANT TO CHARGE EVERYBODY
THE FEE TO REDUCE EVERYBODY’S
CONGESTION SO WE CAN ALL GO TO
THE PARKING LOT, THAT MAKES
SENSE.
BUT THAT’S THE LACK OF
INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED.
THAT’S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE
SURE WAS HIGHLIGHTED AND ASK FOR
CONSIDERATION THAT WE POSTPONE
THIS DECISION INSTEAD OF DUMPING
THIS BEFORE COUNCIL WITHOUT THE
FULL ANALYSIS AND THE FULL
INFORMATION TO LET STAFF GO BACK
AND FINALIZE THIS.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE
A QUESTION TO SOME OF THOSE
COMMENTS, BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH
ALL THE CARDS AND COME BACK, BUT
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS SOME
OF THOSE COMMENTS.
THANK YOU.
>>Councilwoman Williams: JOE
[INDISCERNIBLE] I’M PROBABLY
REALLY MURDERING THAT NAME.
I’M SORRY.
>>[INAUDIBLE] GOOD MORNING,
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBER OF THE
BOARD.
MY NAME IS JOE [INDISCERNIBLE]
FROM YELLOW CAB AND AAA
TRANSPORTATION.
WE ALL CALL THIS AIRPORT THE
MOST FRIENDLY, AND I CALL IT THE
MOST CLEAN AIRPORT IN THE WHOLE
NATION.
I’VE BEEN AT THIS AIRPORT SINCE
1982.
I DROVE.
I MANAGED.
I OWN THE YELLOW CAB AND AAA
TRANSPORTATION.
IN 2009 THEY INCREASED OUR FEE
FROM $200 A YEAR TO $400%, WHICH
I WAS PAYING.
I NEVER ARGUED AND I WENT WITH
THE FLOW AND I NEVER PASSED THIS
TO THE CUSTOMERS.
WE PAID.
WE MADE MONEY.
IT’S JUST A COMMENT I MAKE.
IF THE STAFF, THE DIRECTOR, THE
BOARD, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THESE
MEETINGS, CLOSED ONE LAST WEEK.
NONE OF THESE PEOPLE SHOWED UP
IN THESE MEETINGS AND NOW THEY
TALK ABOUT — NO.
IF I HAD SUCH AN OFFER TO OUR
COMPANY, FEES AND EVERYTHING, I
WOULD PAY, AND I GO WITH THE
FLOW.
IT’S A GOOD PROGRAM.
AIRPORT NEEDS FEES TO COVER
EXPENSES.
SO YOU NEED TO PASS IT, PLEASE,
AND GO ON.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>THANK YOU.
CLAUDE MATTOX?
>>GOOD MORNING.
CLAUDE MATTOX, WITH MOLERA
ALVAREZ, 3343 NORTH 16th
STREET.
I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF STAFF’S
RECOMMENDATION AND THAT WHICH
WAS UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED BY THE
PAB.
JUST VERY BRIEFLY, THE REASON I
SUPPORT THIS IS THAT YOU,
COUNCIL, HAVE JUST RECENTLY
PASSED A COMPREHENSIVE MASTER
PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT.
WE ARE DOING GREAT THINGS.
WE ALL REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED,
INCLUDING THE PASSENGERS.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SHARE IN THE
COSTS OF THAT, AND AS WE MOVE
FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, MAKING
SURE OUR AIRPORT IS SAFE, MAKING
SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE
MILLIONS OF PASSENGERS AND THOSE
WHO LEAVE AND RETURN TO PHOENIX.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE FOLKS.
THESE FUNDS WILL ALLOW THAT TO
HAPPEN.
HAVING BEEN ON THE COUNCIL,
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO
CONGRATULATE EVERYONE IN THIS
PROCESS BECAUSE HAVING BEEN ON
THE COUNCIL 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE
PASSED FORMER FEES, IT WAS NOT
AS NICE.
IT WAS QUITE ACRIMONIOUS.
AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE HERE AT
THAT TIME, IT WAS QUITE UGLY, AS
A MATTER OF FACT.
SO THANK GOODNESS THINGS HAVE
CHANGED, BUT IT’S NOW TIME TO
REMOVE SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS
THAT ARE ON THE AIRPORT NOW SO
THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH
THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE
PLANNED FOR OUR FUTURE TO KEEP
THIS AIRPORT VIABLE SO THAT
EVERYONE, THE TNCs, AND
EVERYONE ELSE, WILL CONTINUE TO
BENEFIT THAT FROM.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM LINE IS
EVERYBODY THAT DOES BUSINESS AT
THE AIRPORT NEEDS TO SHARE IN
THE COSTS OF WHAT WE’RE DOING AT
THAT AIRPORT.
THANK YOU.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU.
PATRICK BARRETT?
>>GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR.
MY NAME IS NAME PATRICK BARRETT,
WITH HIGH GROUND PUBLIC AFFAIRS
AND WE ARE REPRESENTING THE FARE
FEES COALITION.
FIRST WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK
JORDAN FELLED AND THE TEAM AT
SKY HARBOR WHO HAS WORKED
DILIGENTLY THROUGHOUT THE
BENCHMARKING STUDY.
THEY HAVE BEEN FAIR,
PROFESSIONAL THROUGHOUT THE
PROCESS.
THE FAIR FEES COALITION IS MADE
OF OFF-SITE PARKING PROVIDERS,
BLUE SKY, PRE-PORT AND THE
PARKING SPOT.
WE HAD MANY QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT
THE PROCESS AND APPRECIATE THE
REASSURANCES WE RECEIVED FROM
SKY HARBOR.
FIRST THEY GENERALLY DO NOT PLAN
TO CHANGE THE PARKING SHUTTLE
DROP OFF OR PICK-UP AREAS.
SECOND THE TRIP FEES WILL BE
REVISITED IS MAJOR CHANGES OCCUR
AND THIRD THEY WILL PARTNER WITH
GROUND TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS
TO ENSURE A SMOOTH ROLL-OUT OF
THE TECHNOLOGY.
THIS ALLOWS OUR COALITION
MEMBERS TO BETTER PLAN.
WITH THIS BEING SAID OUR MEMBERS
SUPPORT THE PROPOSED POLICY
CHANGE AND LOOK FORWARD TO
SERVING SKY HARBOR FOR MANY
YEARS TO COME.
THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE CARDS THAT DO NOT WISH
TO SPEAK BUT ARE IN FAVOR.
BRIAN AMRO, GREGORY TORRES,
CHRIS NICKEL.
THAT’S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS —
>>YOU CAN GO FIRST.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: JIM,
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE COMMENTS
THAT WERE MADE.
THIS LETTER I KEEP HEARING
ABOUT.
I HEARD ABOUT IT IN MY MEETING
YESTERDAY.
MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME
IF I’M WRONG, THIS LETTER THAT
IS BEING SPOKEN ABOUT ARE ALL
THE EXTRA ITEMS THAT ARE
NON-CODE ITEMS THAT TODAY, AS WE
MOVE FORWARD, AND IF THIS
PASSES, THOSE ITEMS WILL BE
INCLUDED IN THE LETTER AND THEN
BE SUBMITTED.
>>ADAM CHAIR TO COUNCILWOMAN
PASTOR, THAT IS CORRECT.
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE COUNCIL
AGREES WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS,
SHOULD THE COUNCIL AGREE WITH
THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN WE
WOULD THEN ISSUE THE LETTER
COMMITTING TO THOSE SIDE ISSUES
SUCH AS SIGNAGE, WHICH DOESN’T
BELONG IN A CODE, AND BRANDING,
AND TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS ON
THE CURB.
THOSE ARE DAY-TO-DAY PARTNERSHIP
ACTIVITIES THAT WE CONDUCT WITH
OUR GROUND TRANSPORTATION
PARTNERS.
WE WOULD WRITE THEM AND COMMIT
TO THOSE JUST AS THE GENTLEMAN
FROM FAIR FEES JUST MENTIONED.
WE’VE MADE COMMITMENTS TO THEM
ALSO, AND WE WILL CODIFY THOSE
COMMITMENTS IN LETTERS TO THEM.
BUT WE NEED COUNCIL DIRECTION
FIRST AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS
IS GOING TO BE ADOPTED AND ONCE
THAT OCCURS WE WOULD THEN BE
ISSUING THOSE LETTERS.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: IS
THERE, THEN, ANOTHER LETTER
THAT — BEING A NEGOTIATOR FOR
MANY YEARS I KNOW IT’S IMPORTANT
TO HAVE STUFF IN WRITING AND
THINGS SIGNED JUST BECAUSE
PEOPLE TEND TO CHANGE THEIR
MINDS SOMETIMES.
IS THERE SOMETHING ALSO IN
WRITING THAT THEY ALSO HAVE THAT
SAYS, YES, WE’RE COMMITTED TO
THIS AND WE’RE MOVING THIS
FORWARD?
>>ABSOLUTELY.
GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT
MR. BENNETT JUST SPOKE OF, THE
SPECIFIC ITEMS WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT THAT WON’T BE IN COMMIT
BUT ARE COMMITMENTS, THEY ARE
DOCUMENTED IN THE MINUTES OF THE
PAB MEETING.
THEY ARE ALSO DOCUMENTED IN
EMAILS TO THE STAKEHOLDERS.
LAST WEEK ONE OF THE
STAKEHOLDERS SUGGESTED WE WOULD
ALSO LIKE TO FORMALIZE THIS WITH
A LETTER.
WE SAID WE WERE HAPPY TO PROVIDE
A LETTER, I THINK WITHIN AN HOUR
OF RECEIVING THAT REQUEST.
WE ASKED THE STAKEHOLDER TO
PROVIDE SPECIFICS — THESE ARE
GENERAL TERMS AND HOW WHEN THAT
SHOULD BE SORTED OUT.
WE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE THAT
INFORMATION THEN AS MR. BENNETT
NOTED, PRESUMING COUNCIL
APPROVAL, THOSE ITEMS WOULD GO
INTO THIS LETTER WE ARE
SPEAKING.
WE’VE SENT EMAILS DOCUMENTING
OUR INTENT.
>>IN ADDITION TO THAT, COULD
YOU ALSO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT
LACK OF INFORMATION,
UNAWARENESS, NOT BEING INVOLVED,
SEPTEMBER 12th, THE ANALYSIS,
FEES WERE DROPPED AND ANALYSIS
WAS KICKED TO THE CURB — OR
THROWN TO THE SIDE.
COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THAT?
>>THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
HAPPY TO.
SO, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN
SEPTEMBER OF 2018.
THE TNCs FAIR FEES, I DON’T
KNOW IF IT WAS CLEAR, THEY
REPRESENT THE OFF AIRPORT
PARKING PROVIDERS, THOSE
INTERESTS WERE VERY INVOLVED IN
TERMS OF WHAT AIRPORTS WE WOULD
LOOK AT, WHAT INFORMATION WE
WOULD COLLECT, AND WE WENT
THROUGH THE PROCESS, AS SOME OF
THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS JUST
TESTIFIED THERE WERE DOZENS OF
MEETINGS IN BETWEEN KICKING OFF
THE PROJECTS UP UNTIL JULY —
THIS PAST JULY WHEN THE
BENCHMARKING STUDY WAS
COMPLETED.
TO BE HONEST, THE FARE FEES,
STAKEHOLDERS PARTICIPATED IN
EVERY SINGLE MEETING, THE
SCHEDULED GT ROUNDTABLE, THE
CLOSED DOOR STAKEHOLDER ONLY
MEETINGS, THE TNCs DID NOT
PARTICIPATE AS MUCH DURING THE
MAKING OF THE BENCHMARKING
STUDY.
THE BENCHMARKING STUDY CONCLUDED
IN LATE JULY.
IN MID-AUGUST WE SENT ALL THE GT
STAKEHOLDERS THE PROPOSED FEE
TABLE.
SO I KNOW THAT DOESN’T SOUND
LIKE A LOT BUT RECALL THAT TODAY
IN CITY CODE THERE IS PAGES OF
ORDINANCE THAT REFLECT THE FIRST
FEE SCHEDULE THAT WAS PROPOSED
YEARS AGO, AND SO FOR THAT
REASON THERE’S A LOT OF
EXPLANATORY TEXT.
THE ONLY CHANGE NOW, AT LEAST
FROM THE MID-AUGUST PERSPECTIVE,
WAS CHANGE THAT FEE TABLE.
THAT WAS TWO MONTHS AGO NOW.
ALL OF THEM WERE SENT THAT
INFORMATION.
THEN AS WE WENT THROUGH THE
PHOENIX ADVISORY BOARD PROCESS,
EACH CHANGE, WE IMMEDIATELY SENT
OUT THE CHANGE THAT WOULD COME
OUT OF THAT NEGOTIATION.
SO AS QUICK AS THIS INFORMATION
COULD BE PROVIDED TO THEM, IT
HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THEM.
THERE’S A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS
I WOULD JUST HIT ON REAL QUICK.
I THINK THIS IS AN ONGOING
DISCUSSION, WHO SHOULD PAY FOR
SKY TRAIN.
YOU’LL HEAR THIS TODAY AND IN
THE FUTURE, I’M SURE OF IT.
I DON’T KNOW THAT THERE’S A
CLEAR ANSWER, BUT I THINK IT’S
FAIR TO SAY THAT AIRLINES PAY
FOR APRONS AND TAXI EYE WAYS AND
RUNWAYS AS MR. BENNETT WALKED
THROUGH THE DIFFERENT BUSINESS
LINES.
THEY ALL HAVE SOME BENEFIT.
AND GENERALLY OUR FINANCE
DIRECTOR TIES THAT COST TO THAT
DIRECT BENEFIT.
OF ALL THE BUSINESS LINES AT THE
AIRPORT, THE MOST DIRECT
BENEFICIARY OF LESS CONGESTION
ON THE ROADWAY ARE THE GT
PROVIDERS.
SO THERE WAS ONE OTHER POINT I
GUESS THE TNC LETTER WE HIT
ON —
>>WE HAVE A QUESTION.
>>Councilwoman Stark: COULD
YOU SPEAK TO THE STATEMENT ABOUT
80% BEING FUNDED BY THE TNCS?
IS THAT ACCURATE, JAY?
>>I BELIEVE THEY’RE REFERRING
TO THEIR PORTION OF THAT.
SO THE OPERATIONS AND
MAINTENANCE OF THE SKY TRAIN
WE’RE PROPOSING WOULD BE
ALLOCATED FULLY TO GROUND
TRANSPORTATION, OF WHICH THEY
HAVE ABOUT 70% OF THOSE COSTS.
AND I’M, SORRY, 70% OF THE
TRIPS.
>>THE TNCs RIGHTLY NOTE THEIR
INCREASE IS MORE BEING PROPOSED
AN THE OTHER GT PROVIDERS AND
THAT’S UNFAIR, HOWEVER, THE PURE
PEER AIRPORTS THE TNCs TOLD US
TO LOOK AT ALL HAVE DIFFERENT
FEES.
WHILE NOT EVERY AIRPORT TOLD US
THEIR REASONS WHY IN SOME CASES
THAT’S CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION,
THE REALITY IS TNCS PUT MORE
DEMAND ON AIRPORT RESOURCES THAN
THEIR SIMILAR TYPES OF
PROVIDERS.
FINALLY, AS FAIR FEES PATRICK
NOTED THERE ARE SEVERAL
IMPLEMENTATION ISSUES FOR FAIR
FEES THAT WE’VE ALSO AGREED TO
AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY
CLEAR.
>>I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON A
COMMENT THAT YOU MADE.
YOU MENTIONED BENCHMARKING, THAT
THEY WEREN’T THAT INVOLVED IN
THAT PROCESS.
IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY
WEREN’T?
>>SO — I’M SORRY IF I
MISSTAYED IT, COUNCILWOMAN.
AT THE FRONT END OF THE
BENCHMARKING STUDY WE ASKED
STAKEHOLDERS TELL US WHAT
CONSULTANTS WE SHOULD USE, TELL
US WHAT THE SCOPE SHOULD BE, AND
TELL US HOW TO GO THROUGH THIS
PROCESS AND THE TN Cs ARE WERE
VERY PROACTIVE AND VERY
COMMUNICATIVE AT THE FRONT END
SO THE PROCESS WOULD UNFOLD THE
WAY THEY SAW FIT.
OTHER GT STAKEHOLDERS PROVIDED
THE SAME INPUT.
IT WASN’T JUST TNCs.
THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE
WAS DURING THE PROCESS WE HAD AT
A MINIMUM MONTHLY MEETINGS WHERE
WE KEPT THE STAKE HOLDERS UP TO
DATE, SHOWED THEM THE
INFORMATION, ALLOWED THEM TO
MAKE CHANGES AS WE MEANT.
THE POINT I’M TRYING TO MAKE
THOSE SPECIFIC TOUCH POINTS WERE
MORE THE TAXIS, LIMOS, OFF
AIRPORT PARKING TO MY EYE THE TN
Cs REALLY DIDN’T ENGAGE
HEAVILY UNTIL THE STUDY WAS
COMPLETED IN JULY, AND THAT’S
WHEN THEY STARTED STEW ASK
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THE
RECOMMENDATION AND AS I NOTED
TWO WEEKS AFTER THE STUDY WAS
COMPLETED WE EMAILED OUT THE
DRAFT RECOMMENDATION IF YOU
WILL.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: SO YOU
USED THE BENCHMARK YOUNG
ANALYSIS IN ORDER TO DRAFT —
>>ABSOLUTELY.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I JUST
WROTE DOWN SEPTEMBER 12th WE
GOT A LETTER, AND THEN ANALYSIS
WAS THROWN TO THE SIDE.
I’M ASSUMING IT’S THE
BENCHMARKING ANALYSIS.
>>CORRECT.
— SORRY.
SO THE BENCHMARKING ANALYSIS —
BASICALLY GIVES YOU THE AVERAGE
OF AIRPORTS FROM AUSTIN TO
SAN FRANCISCO, AND SO YOU CAN
IDENTIFY AS THE MEDIAN IN ANY OF
THAT DATASET FROM THEIR
PERSPECTIVE IS THE GOOD WAY TO
GO BUT WE CERTAINLY DON’T
CLASSIFY OURSELVES AND AUSTIN.
>>WHAT I’M HEARING IS YOU DID
USE THE BENCHMARKING ANALYSIS
TO — YOU LOOKED AT THE
INFORMATION, YOU ANALYZED IT TO
GET TO THE NUMBER.
>>THE BENCHMARKING ANALYSIS WAS
NOT USED TO ESTABLISH THE RATE
THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO
COUNCIL TODAY.
THE INTENT OF THAT BENCHMARKING
ANALYSIS WAS TO DETERMINE HOW DO
THE EXISTING FEES IN PHOENIX
COMPARE, AND AS WE SHOWED ON
THAT SLIDE WE WERE AT THE VERY
BOTTOM.
THEN AFTER THE STUDY WAS
COMPLETED, THEN JAY DEWITT AND
OUR FINANCE TEAM TOOK THAT COST,
APPLIED TO THAT A RATE MODEL,
AND WHAT WE’RE RECOMMENDING IS
THE RESULT OF THAT ANALYSIS, AND
THEN WHAT WE HAVE DONE AFTER
THAT CALCULATION HAS TAKEN PLACE
IS THEN COMPARE THE PROPOSED
RATE TO THE BENCHMARK AIRPORTS
TO SEE IF IT IS IN THE
REASONABLE RANGE, AND AS JORDAN
NOTED, IT’S NO LONGER AT THE
VERY BOTTOM, BUT IT IS — IT HAS
MOVED UP, BUT IT IS STILL WITHIN
THE REASONABLE RANGE OF THE PEER
AIRPORTS AND THE ANALYSIS.
SO IT’S A REASONABLE FEE BASED
ON THAT STUDY.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: MOVED
UP THREE CITIES?
I’M LOOKING AT THIS — THIS IS
MY LAST QUESTION.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE REAL QUICK,
MR. BENNETT, IS A VERY
FAST-ORIENTED HOW DID TN Cs
GET INTO THE AIRPORT AND WHAT
TAXI DRIVERS AT THE TIME HAD TO
PAY AND HOW THAT CAME ABOUT TO
WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
>>Councilwoman Williams: I
DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH
TIME —
>>Councilwoman Pastor: I
THINK IT’S REAL LIKE 2000, BOOM,
THIS IS WHAT —
>>MADAM CHAIR TO COUNCILWOMAN
PASTOR, LET ME SEE — AND
SOMETIMES IT WAS SUCH A PROCESS
THAT I’VE TRIED TO MENTALLY
BLOCK OUT SOME OF THE PAIN AND
SUFFERING THAT OCCURRED DURING
THAT TIME PERIOD, BUT BACK IN
2016 WHEN THE INTRODUCTIONS OF
TNCs AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE
THEY HAD SOME ENABLING
LEGISLATION PASSED AND WE WERE
TRYING TO EMBRACE THAT NEW
TECHNOLOGY INTO OUR AIRPORT
MODEL, AND BEFORE THE
INTRODUCTION OF TNCs TO THE
AIRPORT MODEL, THE TAXI
INDUSTRY, WE HAD TAXI COMPANIES
THAT DID A — WE DID A
COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO SELECT
TAXIS THAT WERE AUTHORIZED TO DO
BUSINESS AT THE AIRPORT, AND —
IN OTHER WORDS, IT’S VERY
SIMILAR TO THE TERMINAL
CONCESSIONS.
SO YOU ESTABLISHED ESSENTIALLY
WHAT THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF
ACCESSING THAT HUGE COMMERCIAL
ENTERPRISE AT THE AIRPORT WAS BY
THAT BIDDING PROCESS, AND SO AS
JOE MENTIONED IN HIS TESTIMONY,
HIS COMPANIES, THEY PAID THE
AIRPORT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR
THE RIGHT TO ACCESS THAT
COMMERCIAL MARKET AND PICK UP
PEOPLE AT THE AIRPORT.
WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF TNCs,
THAT MODEL WAS NO LONGER
AVAILABLE, AND SO THE COUNCIL
CONVERTED TO A VERY — VERY
RAPIDLY WE HAD TO CONVERT TO A
COMPLETE REWRITE OF THE CODE
DEALING WITH GROUND
TRANSPORTATION, AND WE ALSO HAVE
TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE FEE
STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT
REASONABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY BID
FOR THE RIGHTS TO DO BUSINESS AT
THE AIRPORT AND THEN HAVE A
WHOLE NEW TECHNOLOGY COMPETING
AND NOT HAVING TO PAY.
SO WE CHANGED TO THE PER TRIP
BASIS FOR ALL USERS, AND NOW IN
THAT CODE THERE WAS A
REQUIREMENT THAT WE DO THIS
BENCHMARKING STUDY AND HAVE IT
ALL DONE AND IMPLEMENTED PRIOR
TO JANUARY 1st OF 2020.
SO WE HAVE DONE AND NOW WE’RE
BRINGING FORWARD THE CHANGES TO
THAT TRIP FEE SCHEDULE, AND
THAT’S THE ONLY SUBSTANTIVE
CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT
OF YOU TODAY.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK
YOU.
>>Councilwoman Stark: WHEN
YOU WERE DOING THE PEER AIRPORT
REVIEW, DID YOU ALSO ANALYZE THE
PERCENTAGE OF GROUND
TRANSPORTATION — PERCENTAGE OF
TNCS, CABS, LIMOS SO THAT — DID
THAT HELP WITH THE COST
ANALYSIS?
>>GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.
I WOULD EXPECT IT WITH YOUR
PLANNING PROCESS PEDIGREE.
THAT’S CORRECT.
ANY AIRPORT THAT WOULD PROVIDE
US THAT TYPE OF INFO, BECAUSE
THAT WAS A CLEAR SCOPING, PLEASE
MAKE SURE YOU COLLECT THIS INFO
AS YOU GOAL, ANYTHING ABOUT
THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION
SPECIFICALLY, THE CONTEXT OF THE
AIRPORT, INCLUDING THAT DATA IN
THE BENCHMARKING AND WE DID TO
THE DEGREE WE COULD GET THAT
DATA.
>>JUST A FOLLOW-UP.
LOOKING AT ALL THESE AIRPORTS,
THEY ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH
OUR TYPE OF GROUND
TRANSPORTATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, O’HARE, YOU
PROBABLY COULD TAKE THE TRAIN
INTO — WITH GREAT CONVENIENCE,
BUT SOME OF THESE PROBABLY BE
MORE DEPENDENT UPON VEHICLES,
VANS —
>>THAT’S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
>>Councilwoman Stark: I
THOUGHT SO.
THANK YOU.
>>Councilwoman Williams: I
HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CAP, WHY
WE HAVE A CAP NOWADAYS, JUST
ALLOWING CPI OR WHATEVER TO
DICTATE.
>>I CAN’T SPEAK TO WHY THE CAP
WAS PUT IN THERE BACK IN 2008 —
>>Councilwoman Williams:
[INAUDIBLE]
>>FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE,
THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A TECHNICAL
NEED TO HAVE A CAP IN AN
ORDINANCE BECAUSE ACCESSING THE
AIRPORT IS A VERY COMPETITIVE
ENVIRONMENT.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODES YOU
CAN TAKE.
YOU CAN TAKE THE LIGHT RAIL, YOU
CAN FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TAKE
YOU TO THE AIRPORT AND DROP YOU
OFF AND PICK YOU UP.
SO AS AN OPERATOR OF PARKING AT
THE AIRPORT, WE’RE NOT GOING TO
PRICE OUR PRODUCT SO PEOPLE
DON’T USE OUR PRODUCT.
IT WOULD NOT BE A REASONABLE
MOVE ON OUR PART BECAUSE THOSE
REVENUE STREAMS ARE IMPORTANT TO
THE OPERATION OF THE AIRPORT.
SO IT’S REALLY A DISCRETION OF
COUNCIL ON THAT CAP.
>>Councilwoman Williams: SO
IF IT WAS REMOVED OUT OF YOUR
LANGUAGE, IT WON’T REALLY BE
NOTICEABLE?
IS THAT IT?
WE ALWAYS TRUST YOU TO BE
RESPONSIBLE —
>>MADAM CHAIR, YEAH, IF IT WAS
REMOVED, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN’T
BE CHANGING PARKING RATES.
IN FACT, WE CURRENTLY DON’T
CHARGE UP TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED
UNDER CODE TODAY.
WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE A
LITTLE PROACTIVE HERE BY MOVING
THOSE CAPS UPWARD SO THAT AT
SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF THE
AIRPORT NEEDED TO CHANGE ITS
PARKING RATES, IT WOULD NOT NEED
TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND
REQUEST AN ESCALATION OF THE
CAPS.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
WELL, I’M SUPPORTING WHAT YOU
HAVE PROPOSED.
>>MA’AM, MAY I —
>>Councilwoman Williams:
NO —
>>IT DOESN’T INCLUDE THE
LETTER.
>>Councilwoman Williams: IT’S
ON THE RECORD.
DON’T WORRY ABOUT THE LETTER —
>>IT’S NOT IN YOUR
RECOMMENDATION, MADAM —
>>Councilwoman Williams: SIR,
IT IS ON THE RECORD —
>>[INAUDIBLE].
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THERE IS A RECORD —
>>Councilwoman Pastor:, SIR,
WE KNOW WHAT YEAR’ DOING.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
>>[INAUDIBLE]
>>Councilwoman Williams:
ANYWAY, I SUPPORT WHAT YOU’RE
PROPOSING.
I THINK IT’S FAIR.
WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUS
EXPERIENCE — ACTUALLY, I THINK
YOU’VE DONE VERY WELL UNDER THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
I SIT ON THE PHOENIX-MESA
GATEWAY BOARD AND THEY PAY MORE
THERE FOR THEIR 1 MILLION
PASSENGERS PER YEAR COMPARED TO
PHOENIX — YOU CAN’T EVEN MAKE A
GOOD COMPARISON.
SO I AM VERY — I VERY STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS.
I WOULD SUGGEST WE REMOVE THE
WORD “CAP” OUT OF THIS.
I THINK THEY’RE RIGHT ON
RESPONSIBLE.
YOU CAN’T PUT YOURSELF OUT OF
THE MARKET.
I WOULD SUGGEST WE MOVE IT
FORWARD.
>>Councilwoman Guardado: I
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
MOVE IT FORWARD.
I DON’T KNOW IF I HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE WHOLE — BUT I WOULD
LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION
TO APPROVE CITY CODE AMENDMENT
RELATED TO COMMERCIAL GROUND
TRANSPORTATION TRIP FEES,
PARKING RATE CAP AND UNATTENDED
VEHICLE CIVIL PENALTIES.
>>Councilwoman Pastor: MAY I
ADD, FOR ALL PURPOSES, THAT A
LETTER WILL BE GIVEN WITH THE
POINTS THAT WE ARE VOTING ON AND
WHAT IS IN THE PAB RECORD.
>>Councilwoman Williams: AND
REMOVING THE CAP.
>>Councilwoman Guardado: AND
REMOVING THE CAP.
>>Councilwoman Pastor:
SECOND.
>>Councilwoman Williams: ALL
IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
[ CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD
WORK.
I THINK THAT TAKES US TO ITEM
13, AND I HAVE ASKED STAFF TO
COME ABOUT EVERY THREE MONTHS
AND GIVE US A REPORT ON HOW
THEY’RE PROCEEDING WITH THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE DROUGHT
PROBLEM.
SO IF WE COULD HAVE A QUICK
REPORT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
>>THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.
WE QUICKLY WANTED TO PRESENT YOU
WITH AN UPDATE ON THE
INFRASTRUCTURE WE ARE BUILDING
TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE
RELIABLE WATER DELIVERIES IN
PARTS OF THE NORTH PHOENIX
DURING SHORTAGE CONDITIONS ON
THE COLORADO RIVER.
WITH ME HERE TODAY IS THE
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR TROY HAYES
AND DARLENE HELM WHO IS IN
CHARGE OF OUR WATER ENGINEERING
GROUP.
DARLENE WILL GO THROUGH THE
PRESENTATION AND THEN WE ARE
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
THANK YOU.
>>MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE
SUBCOMMITTEE, I’LL GIVE YOU A
BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR DROUGHT
RESILIENCY INFRASTRUCTURE
PROGRAM, I WILL REVIEW THE
BACKGROUND ON THE NEED FOR THE
PROGRAM AND I’LL GO THROUGH AN
OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM
COMPONENTS WITH THE STATUS
UPDATE AND REVIEW OUR PUBLIC
OUTREACH TO DATE.
JUST A LITTLE REVIEW OF THE
PHOENIX WATER SUPPLIES, WE
RECEIVE ABOUT 97% OF OUR WATER
FROM SURFACE WATER.
SO 50%, ROUGHLY, COMES FROM THE
SALT AND VERDE RIVERS THROUGH
THE SALT RIVER PROJECT AT THREE
OF OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANTS,
AND RECEIVE ABOUT 47% OF
COLORADO RIVER WATER THROUGH THE
C.A.P. AT TWO OF OUR WATER
TREATMENT PLANTS.
AND THEN ONLY ABOUT 3% FROM
GROUNDWATER.
SO BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN USING
SURFACE WATER AS OUR MAIN SOURCE
OF WATER, IT’S ALLOWED US TO
STORE GROUNDWATER FOR FUTURE
NEEDS, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, WE
NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH
CLIMATE CONDITIONS AND DROUGHT.
I’M SURE MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN A
PICTURE OF LAKE MEAD RECENTLY.
THIS WAS FROM FEBRUARY WHERE THE
CURRENT WATER LEVEL IS AND THEN
WHERE WE WERE NEAR CAPACITY JUST
A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS AGO.
SO WE ARE IN A DROUGHT ON THE
COLORADO RIVER SYSTEM.
THIS IS CONCERNING BECAUSE THIS
IS THE LAKE WE LOOK TO TO SET
WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE
RESTRICTIONS ON THE COLORADO
RIVER.
SO RESTRICTIONS ARE LOOMING.
OUR CORE FUNCTION IS PROVIDING
SAFE, RELIABLE WATER TO ALL OF
OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR
RESTRICTIONS.
SO THIS MAP HERE IS SHOWING,
LIKE I MENTIONED, THAT WE HAVE
TWO SURFACE WATER SOURCES.
THE AREA IN THE DARK BLUE IS OUR
SRP SYSTEM, AND THEN THE AREA TO
THE NORTH THAT LOOKS REALLY
LIGHT BLUE IS OUR COLORADO RIVER
SYSTEM.
SO BASICALLY IT’S GOOD THAT WE
HAVE TWO WATER SOURCE SYSTEMS.
WE AREN’T SOLELY RELYING ON
COLORADO RIVER WATER.
SO WHEN WE DID AN INTERNAL STUDY
TO SEE IF WE HAD ENOUGH WATER IF
THERE WERE GOING TO BE
RESTRICTIONS ON THE COLORADO
RIVER SYSTEM WITH SRP AND OUR
WELLS, AND WE DETERMINED THAT
BASED ON CAREFUL PLANNING AND
MANAGING OF OUR RESOURCES THAT
WE DO HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO
SUPPLY ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
WE JUST NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE
TO MOVE THE WATER NORTH INTO THE
AREA CURRENTLY SERVED BY
COLORADO RIVER.
SO WHAT IS OUR PLAN?
SO REALLY LIGHT HERE ON THE
SCREEN, BUT IT SHOULD BE A MAP
OF THE CITY OF PHOENIX.
THIS AREA HERE IS — THAT YOU
ARE LOOKING AT IS AROUND 20th
STREET AND MARYLAND TO 32nd
STREET AND SHEA.
WE NEED TO NEED TO INSTALL A
66-INCH WATER MAIN COMING OUT OF
OUR 24th STREET WATER
TREATMENT PLANT AND ALSO REPLACE
AN EXISTING 48-INCH MAIN BECAUSE
IT’S AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL
LIFE.
WE ALSO NEED TO EXTEND THAT
66-INCH MAIN UP ALONG 32nd
STREET FROM SHEA TO BELL WE NEED
TO INSTALL A 42-INCH MAIN FROM
THUNDERBIRD TO GROVERS ON 35th
AVENUE.
AND WE NEED TO INSTALL FOUR
LARGE PUMP STATIONS TO MOVE THAT
WATER NORTH AND THROUGHOUT THE
SYSTEM IN ORDER TO GET WATER
FROM OUR COLORADO RIVER
SYSTEM — OR FROM THE SALT RIVER
SYSTEM UP TO THE COLORADO RIVER.
>>Councilwoman Williams: AND
WHAT TIME FRAME TO YOU EXPECT TO
DO THAT?
>>AND I AM GOING TO GO RIGHT
INTO THE NEXT SLIDE AND SHOW
YOU.
SO THERE’S GENERAL — GENERALLY
WE’RE GOING TO BE
CONSTRUCTING — THE FIRST
PORTION STARTING IN JANUARY
2020.
BUT MOST OF THE COMPONENTS OF
THE PROGRAM WILL BE BETWEEN THE
FALL OF 2020 THROUGH THE FALL OF
2022 WITH THE IDEA THAT THE
ENTIRE PROGRAM WILL BE COMPLETE
BY ZEST 2022.
>>Councilwoman Williams: AND
YOU’RE TALKING WHAT YOU SHOWED
US?
>>YES.
SO PROJECT 1, THE AREA COMING
OUT OF OUR 24th STREET WATER
TREATMENT PLANT, THE 66-INCH
MAIN AND 48-INCH MAIN, WE’RE IN
DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
WE EXPECT TO START CONSTRUCTION
IN JANUARY OF 2020 ON THE
48-INCH MAIN.
AND THIS PROJECT WILL BE GROUPED
INTO — LIKE SEGMENTS THROUGHOUT
THIS AREA.
SO WE’LL FOCUS ON THE 48-INCH
MAIN STARTING IN JANUARY.
WE’ MOVE TO THE 66-INCH MAIN
DOWN NEAR THE 24th STREET
WATER TREATMENT PLANT AROUND THE
FALL OF 2020.
AND THEN MOVE THROUGH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND UP INTO THE
PRESERVE IN EARLY 2021.
AND THEN MOVE THROUGH THE
PRESERVE AND UP INTO THE —
CROSSING THE SR-51 INTO LATE
2021, EARLY 2022.
SO IT WILL KIND OF MOVE IN
SEGMENTS.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE’RE
ALSO WORKING ON THIS PROJECT
AREA 2, WHICH WE’RE IN DESIGN
RIGHT NOW, THIS IS AGAIN AN
EXTENSION OF THAT 66-INCH MAIN.
SO WE’LL START IN THE FALL OF
2020 IN THE AREA AROUND 32nd
STREET AND SHEA AND MOVING —
MOVING IN KIND OF ROLLING
CONSTRUCTION SEGMENTS AS WE MOVE
ALONG 32nd STREET THROUGH THE
FALL OF 2022.
SO THE ENTIRE ROAD WON’T BE
UNDER CONSTRUCTION DURING THIS
TIME BUT YOU’LL SEE CONSTRUCTION
ACTIVITIES IN SEGMENTS ALONG THE
ROAD.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME
PRECONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES LIKE
BLUE STAKING, POTHOLING, AND
THEN, SAY, A PARTICULAR BUSINESS
MAY SEE WHAT YOU THINK OF AS
TRUE CONSTRUCTION WORK,
TRENCHING, LAYING THE PIPE,
BACKFILLING FOR ABOUT THREE TO
FOUR WEEKS, AND THEN THAT WILL
KIND OF MOVE FORWARD, AND THEN
THERE MIGHT BE SOME
POST-CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES
WHERE YOU ARE SEEING PAVING.
SO KIND OF IN ROLLING SEGMENTS
ALONG THE ENTIRE ALIGNMENT.
AND THEN SIMILARLY ON 35th
AVENUE YOU’LL HAVE ACTIVITIES —
THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WE’RE
ACTUALLY REMOVING A 36-INCH MAIN
AND PUTTING IN A 42-INCH MAIN
BECAUSE WE NEED THE LARGER
CAPACITY.
SO THIS WILL BE DONE IN TWO
SEGMENTS BECAUSE OF JUST NEEDING
THE EXISTING MAIN IN SERVICE BUT
AGAIN ROLLING CONSTRUCTION
SEGMENTS.
SO SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO SEE
THAT ENTIRE SEGMENT UNDER
CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT TWO-YEAR
PERIOD.
AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR LARGE
BOOSTER PUMP STATIONS WE’RE
WORKING ON.
SO ONE AT OUR 24th STREET
WATER TREATMENT PLANT AT 24th
STREET AND LINCOLN.
IT’S A 60 MILLION GALLON PER DAY
PUMP STATION ON THE PLANT
PROPERTY.
WE HAVE ONE PUMP STATION AT DEER
VALLEY WATER TREATMENT PLANT AT
31st AND DUNLAP.
THAT ONE IS A 40 MILLION GALLON
PER DAY PUMP STATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE A PUMP STATION
AT CENTRAL AND DEER VALLEY.
IT’S A 60 MILLION GALLON PER DAY
PUMP STATION.
AND THEN ONE AT 32nd STREET
AND BELL AND IT’S A 60 MILLION
PER DAY.
SO THESE ARE HELPING US MOVE
WATER NORTH AND THROUGHOUT THE
SYSTEM.
THEIR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS
THAT FALL OF 2020 THROUGH FALL
OF 2022.
THERE WILL BE SOME WORK IN THE
STREETS AROUND THE PUMP STATION
JUST TO CONNECT ALL THE PIPING
TOGETHER, BUT MOSTLY CONTAINED
ON SITE.
SO BECAUSE THIS IS A MASSIVE
UNDERTAKING FOR THE DEPARTMENT,
IT’S A HUGE PROGRAM, LOT OF
IMPACTS THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITY, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
HARD ON OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH
PROGRAM FOR THIS PLAN.
WE’RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS WE
NORMALLY DO FOR ANY TYPE OF
PROJECT, BUT THIS IS JUST A LOT
MORE OF IT.
I MEAN, THERE’S JUST A LOT MORE
ACTIVITY.
SO WE DO MAILERS, DOOR HANGERS,
A PROJECT HOTLINE NUMBER, WE
HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS, WE ALWAYS
HAVE EMERGENCY CONTACT DURING
CONSTRUCTION.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE SPECIFIC
PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THE
BUSINESSES TO PROVIDE OUTREACH
AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE
CONTACTS DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE
HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS PLANNED, WE
HAVE BEEN INTERACTING WITH
PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE TO ENSURE
THAT WE CAN GET ANY KIND OF
RESCUE VEHICLES IN DURING
CONSTRUCTION, PROVIDING UPDATES
JUST THROUGH E NEWSLETTERS, AND
THEN A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH OUR
STAKEHOLDERS.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE SCHOOLS
IN THE PROJECT AREA 1.
WE’VE BEEN MEETING QUITE A BIT
WITH THEM.
AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME
SPECIFIC OUTREACH THAT WE’VE
ALREADY HAD MEETINGS WITH, LIKE
I MENTIONED WITH THE SCHOOLS.
WE PRESENTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO
TO THE PHOENIX SONORAN PRESERVE
AND MOUNTAIN PARKS PRESERVE
COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH
THE PHOENIX MOUNTAIN
PRESERVATION COUNCIL.
AND THEN OUR FIRST PUBLIC
MEETING FOR PROJECT AREA 1 IS
SCHEDULED ON OCTOBER 24th.
SO JUST SOME UPDATES THERE.
AND THAT’S IT.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
COUNCILWOMAN?
>>Councilwoman Stark: I WANT
TO THANK YOU.
I KNOW YOU HAVE ALREADY ALERTED
SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS
IN THE 32nd STREET AND SHEA
AREA.
I KNOW WE’RE DOING A LOT OF ROAD
CONSTRUCTION.
SO MAYBE AT THE G.A.I.N. EVENTS,
I TALKED TO KINI — HE ALREADY
LEFT, DARN IT — BUT I SUGGESTED
MAYBE HE VERY SOME OF HIS STAFF
AT THE G.A.I.N. EVENTS AS WELL
TO TALK ABOUT COORDINATING
BECAUSE THEY’VE DONE A PRETTY
AGGRESSIVE CIP IN THE NEXT
THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS.
I KNOW IT’S GOING TO BE CRITICAL
ALONG 32nd STREET I’M SURE
35th AS WELL.
SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO WORK
WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE YOU’RE
KIND OF TEAMING UP.
BECAUSE WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
JUST GOT THE ROAD PAVED AND NOW
IT’S TORN UP AGAIN.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE CRITICAL
TO HAVE BOTH AT THESE G.A.I.N.
EVENTS.
>>Councilwoman Williams: ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS?
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THE UPDATE.
KEEP US POSTED.
IF YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS, IT’S
MORE IMPORTANT YOU CALL US.
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS?
DO WE HAVE — I THINK WE HAVE
SOMETHING YOU REQUESTED ON THE
NEXT AGENDA —
>>Councilwoman Stark: NOW I
FORGET.
WE’RE DOING THE ALLEYS.
WE’RE DOING THAT AT LAND USE.
>>Councilwoman Williams:
OKAY.
OKAY.
ANYTHING YOU WANT —
>>Councilwoman Stark: OH, THE
RED LIGHT — I THINK PUBLIC
SAFETY IS GOING TO TAKE THAT UP.
>>Councilwoman Williams: ALL
RIGHT.
LET US KNOW IF YOU CHANGE YOUR
MIND.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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